Heavy Fighting in South Ossetia

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Video

Article (BBC)

Thoughts? It's a bit of a complicated situation right now, but will all-out war result?

[Tribesman]

Interesting , Israel has told Russia that it is only selling defensive weapons to Georgia and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Russia responds by saying it is only selling defensive weapons to Iran and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Funny stuff eh .

[Brenus]

What NATO is waiting for to bomb this evil Regime wich attack honest separatists?

[Herkus]

Some South Ossetinians want to be with Georgia, but shaika with Moscow support holds its business ( would be regarded as criminal in many countries) deeply connected Russia.

There is no ethic strife. It is all about the money and inner Ossetinian clan infighting (Some clans get support from Georgians, some from Russians). The same was happening even during USSR times, though we didnt know about it.

The same type of conflict was in Ajaria too (South West Georgia). Check internet for information how it was resolved.

It is all connected with realpolitic, The Caucasus is strategic region because of Caspian Sea oil. Many large countries have different interests there and through mass media they will accordingly focus their population about this conflict.

So far it looks like that Georgians specially want to provoke Russia to invade. And I expect that they will back off immediately. But either way it will be Georgian PR victory over Russia in the eve of Olympic Games.

[HoreTore]

150 russian tanks have entered, 2 russian planes shot down.

According to "experts" in the papers here, this might escalate... What does people here think about that?

[Conradus]

They're actually fighting a war over 70.000 people? That's one or two communities here, hardly worth the effort and bloodshed. Couldt Georgia try to negotiate some more?

I hope it doesn't escalate.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Interesting , Israel has told Russia that it is only selling defensive weapons to Georgia and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Russia responds by saying it is only selling defensive weapons to Iran and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Funny stuff eh .

America defends Israel. American troops were training with Georgian troops. Russia defends Iran.

World War 3, anyone?

How about:

Side 1
Georgia
USA
UK
Eastern European
Nations
etc. etc.

Side 2
Russia
Iran
Syria
etc. etc.

It spreads to the Middle East, and we all get screwed.

[TinCow]

America defends Israel. American troops were training with Georgian troops. Russia defends Iran.

World War 3, anyone?

Not a chance. The US is in no situation to oppose Russia militarily. Unless Georgia somehow pulls out a victory in this war on its own (or survives for long enough for there to be a negotiated ceasefire) this will result in Russia giving the US a major black eye. Assuming they can achieve military victory, this is a good political move by Putin as it would greatly strengthen Russian influence in the region.

[Devastatin Dave]

America defends Israel. American troops were training with Georgian troops. Russia defends Iran.

World War 3, anyone?

How about:

Side 1
Georgia
USA
UK
Eastern European
Nations
etc. etc.

Side 2
Russia
Iran
Syria
etc. etc.

It spreads to the Middle East, and we all get screwed.

The assasination Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo was all it took for WW1. This is gonna be bad...

[KukriKhan]

Interesting , Israel has told Russia that it is only selling defensive weapons to Georgia and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Russia responds by saying it is only selling defensive weapons to Iran and doesn't want to escalate the situation or alter the balance of regional power .
Funny stuff eh .

Interesting take on the parallells. What do you think motivates Israel's interest? Oil?

[Viking]

Video

Article (BBC)

Thoughts? It's a bit of a complicated situation right now, but will all-out war result?

Let SO break loose and rid this waste of resources.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Our troops have been training for 8 years in a multi-regional, moderate-low, real combat situation. That's better than not having fought a real campaign for 33 years and having something go down. I think we should butt out for the time being. In the next few days, will NATO enter Georgia do you think?

I'd rather have WW3 happen now than in 10-20 years. Anybody else?

[Marshal Murat]

Russian Armored Forces Roll.

Russian news agencies quoted witnesses saying a Russian armored column had rolled across the border.

MOBILISATION

Saakashvili told reporters: "This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory. We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight." He ordered a full-scale mobilization of military reservists.

This is really terrible, and I think that someone should try to mediate this. I can only hope that Georgia takes to heart the lessons of all small countries.

Strike fast, strike hard. Inflict as many casualties as possible. Maybe we should create a polygot mercenary force to help them.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Russian Armored Forces Roll.



This is really terrible, and I think that someone should try to mediate this. I can only hope that Georgia takes to heart the lessons of all small countries.

Strike fast, strike hard. Inflict as many casualties as possible. Maybe we should create a polygot mercenary force to help them.

You mean like NATO?

[rvg]

Well, now we know for sure which country is the first one to be absorbed into Comrade Putin's new Soviet Union.

[TinCow]

You mean like NATO?

Their reaction will be very interesting. In April, NATO promised Georgia that they would be invited to join in the near future. On one hand, a promised invitation is not membership, so NATO is not bound to defend Georgia. On the other hand, it's also a guarantee of future membership, and thus allowing Russia to invade Georgia would be a direct challenge to NATO itself. Not a good situation to be in.

[Sarmatian]

I'd rather have WW3 happen now than in 10-20 years. Anybody else?

Have you ever visited the planet Earth?

[CrossLOPER]

Have you ever visited the planet Earth?

I wonder sometimes about the people here.

[KarlXII]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LA423150.htm

Look at the Georgian aggression! How dare a country actually attempt to govern rebellious areas? Russia is obviously acting noble, freeing oppressed peoples

[KarlXII]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe.../georgia.reax/

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aPLDNxutvt7M

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Tcha, stick with the BBC, it's being much more neutral.

At any rate, Georgia is also massing forces to support what it currently has in South Ossetia. Can't blame them for that any more than you can blame the Russians. It's what you do in war, you know.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Russia is trying to deter NATO peace keepers with those ships. We should have already deployed them to Georgia through the Black Sea. Now when we inevitably deploy them we will have to go over mountain ranges or risk the impending Russian Embargo.

Georgia has requested NATO peacekeepers. We should give them what they ask for and build up in non-breakaway Georgia for the time being. This may deter any further Russian incursions into Georgia.

If Abkhazia and South Ossetia eventually do break off from Georgia and Russia annexes them - problem solved for Georgian NATO membership. This may actually speed up the process in Ukraine and Georgia for NATO membership as that would help guarantee against further territorial breaches.

We should probably do something. We won't be able to just ignore Georgia after this and I'm sure that our alliance will be weaker having done nothing.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Tcha, stick with the BBC, it's being much more neutral.

Also, BBC hasn't reported the blockade from what I've seen. You aren't suggesting that we pay attention to only one News source, are you? I suggest that we all look for as many sources as possible. "Neutrality" doesn't really help us understand situation - only the attempt of the news sources not to inflame sensibilities.

Also, if 30,000 Ossetians have fled into North Ossetia, wouldn't that mean that the Ossetian population is equal to the Georgian population in South Ossetia for the time being? Interesting.

[Marshal Murat]

Telegraph "Russian Bear"

The Pipeline War: Russian bear goes for West's jugular

[Mailman653]

Well, since we are talking about the BBC....

Georgia 'pulls out of S Ossetia
War over then right?

And here are another two sources while we are talking about that as well....

Al Jazeera English
Russia 'bombs Georgian capital'
Xinhua News Agency
Medvedev: withdrawal of Georgian troops only way to settle South Ossetia crisis

[KarlXII]

Got to love the fact that Russia refused a Georgian proposed cease-fire, allowing the fighting to continue. If Russia were concerned about South Ossetia and it's citizens safety, wouldn't it want to stop the fighting?

[KarlXII]

So Russia finally agrees to a cease-fire? Even when Georgia had proposed that a while ago? Georgia is claiming Russia is still bombing the country. And what of Russia? They're more than likely going to pull out most of the troops (I'm betting they're going to leave another "peace-keeping force" in), and leave behind a bombed and invaded Georgia.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So Russia finally agrees to a cease-fire? Even when Georgia had proposed that a while ago?

Even when Georgia broke one a while ago? Anyways, it's understandable Russia would break the Georgian forces before agreeing to a surrender. In another note, Russia was the third party involved in the fighting - regardless of who shot first, Georgian and Ossetian forces were already fighting by the time Russia advanced.

Georgia is claiming Russia is still bombing the country.

It seems they're the only ones.

(I'm betting they're going to leave another "peace-keeping force" in)

You do realize that the first peacekeeping force was working with Georgian forces in agreement with Georgia until Georgia pulled out of the agreement, right?

[Tribesman]

Oh dear Tuff edited his post

No threat? Oh that's right - page one (post 2 and 25) of this thread clearly illustrates your lack of interest or foresight on this topic. We need more poeple like you in government making decisions based on what someone else says and then attacking it as a non issue. The future!

You really do jump in without thinking don't you

[ICantSpellDawg]

Oh dear Tuff edited his post



You really do jump in without thinking don't you

I've jumped in without thinking? Can someone else explain to me what they think tribesman means?