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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ng_in_Sardinia
    http://www.coptur.net/nora_en.html
    Looks like the island should be a quite important place to hold, on the other side it might be more historically accurate to have Nora as the administrative capital (aka city) in Sardinia and Karali as docks.

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    And don't forget to change the capitol of Crete. :)

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    I think another province for Baktria should take prioirity. I reccomend one centered around Al-Khanoum.

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    Just some ideas...

    There are some provinces in northern Europe, that seldom gets conquered by anyone, and that historically was not that important. Since there are other parts of the map that could use some more provinces, (North Africa, India, etc.), maybe they could be replaced by regions there instead. I'm especially thinking of the island of Gotland, Sapmi and one of the two provinces in Ireland (unless there is to be a new faction in the British Isles). Maybe there is some specific reason that theese are in there, but I think they could be put to better use elswhere. Gotland, for example, though having been suggested as the ancestral home of certain germanic tribes, was never very important during the EB-timeframe, and none of the factions presently in the game had any direct interests there.

    Anyway, just a suggestion...


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    I would think another tribe in BRitain / Hybernia could be added. We do have 10 slots free now.

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    It´s about more then just space, it´s about history. They´ve got to have enough evidence to actually create another faction, they can´t just make on because it would be cool. Otherwise I´m sure we´d have a Galactic Empire faction on Sardinia with stormtroopers and death stars, ´cause that would be really cool (though blowing up the planet might be a bit of an overkill).
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    Quote Originally Posted by brymht View Post
    I would think another tribe in BRitain / Hybernia could be added. We do have 10 slots free now.
    And which tribe might that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates VI Eupator View Post
    Just some ideas...

    There are some provinces in northern Europe [...]
    I also think that certain far provinces can be merged, for instance those two ones that occupy today's Carelia, Finland, Estonia and the territory near Moscow.
    However, only the EB staff can decide this. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connacht View Post
    I also think that certain far provinces can be merged, for instance those two ones that occupy today's Carelia, Finland, Estonia and the territory near Moscow.
    However, only the EB staff can decide this. ;)
    Erm... Carelia, Finland and Estonia are already a merged into a one region called Sápmi. But you do have a point with that it could be merged with the region near present day Moscow, called Dahyu Thissikata.

    There is a thing though. Dahyu Thissikata and Sápmi are two totally different kinds of regions both in geography and culture. Dahyu Thissikata consists mostly of the steppes, and has little of the taiga in it, and therefore would have mostly nomadic and pastoralist people living in it, probably of sarmatian origin. In EB it indeed has the ability to have nomadic or pastoralist goverment chosen by a nomadic faction. The Sápmi province in other hand is covered wholly in woodland. Coniferious in north and mixed and decidious at the baltia. The people in there are fenno-ugric and most of them have taken on a sedentary life of farmers, cattle herders and part time hunters. So as you see, these two regions, while close to each other, are quite different actually.

    Also, The Sápmi province is a valid, although quite distant, target for the Swebóz and even more so, if another german tribe is added. For the sarmatians Sápmi is also a valid target but quite far. The Dahyu Thissikata in the other hand is really far for the germanic tribes, but it's practically next door to the Sarmatians. This would make for some balance issues, which could be bad, and could be good, if it would force the germans to the southern europe, where they ended up after all.

    I am myself from Finland, and know my prehistoric times of Finland well enough to know that there wasn't too much of anything interesting here at 272 BC - 0 BC, at least in EB's perspective. Also, the archeological findings from that period are in my knowledge quite limited, at least if compared to other time periods before and after the 0 ad. So maybe Sápmi and Seliun Gentis, the region just south of Sápmi, could be merged in to one region. They are culturally and also geographically similar, and if my memory serves me right, they have exactly the same units in EB1. Or maybe the two Gentyses (or however the plural should be typed) could be merged into some Great Gentys/Gentis.

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    Another option might be to add sápmi to that "wasteland"-province that currently covers the Sahara and the Arabian desert, and is called Eremos. Might not be possible for some reason though...

    Otherwise, Sapmi and Seliun Gentis could be merged, and Gotland could be merged with the rest of Sandinavia, since, as Puupertti Ruma stated, neither the Baltic, nor Scandinavia was very important in this period. If I'm not mistaken, Tacitus wrote in the first century AD that the "Sueoni" (Swedes) lived on an island in the ocean, and went to sea in ships driven by oars, as they did not know of the sail, and this is the first we hear of them. It has been suggested that the spread of Celtic culture throughout central Europe caused the trade with southern Europe to cease completely, and this, along with climate changes, flung Scandinavia into a dark age which lasted from about 500 b.C to the first century AD. Archaeological finds have also implied that Scandinavia was indeed a backwater during this time.

    Anyway, if these, and maybe also the two provinces in Ireland were merged, and if it is true that both Augila and Gaetulia are to be removed (pure speculation, I know), this would give us 5 new provinces to disperse over the map. Of these, I actually think that one or two might be put in another place in north Africa (Especially if there is to be one or maybe even two Numidian factions), maybe yet another one, or maybe more, in Greece. I know there are many there already, but I still think it has a tendency to get rather cramped down there. And then some in India or on the Iranian plateu.

    But, as always, this is not up to me to decide...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarax View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ng_in_Sardinia
    http://www.coptur.net/nora_en.html
    Looks like the island should be a quite important place to hold, on the other side it might be more historically accurate to have Nora as the administrative capital (aka city) in Sardinia and Karali as docks.

    I apologize for the quality of the links but it's hard to find accurate online information.
    Karalis is the proper city choice in Sardinia; it was the most significant city on the island at the time. The only other hypothetical I would see would be Tharros, midway up the western coast (the city was established by Nuraghi, then conquered by the Phoenicians and later the Romans).

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    (Tower is from a later Spanish period.)

    I don't understand the placement of the port at the northeast of the island, however. Karalis was a significant port in its own right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagliari#Early_history
    http://www.isolasarda.com/nora-storia_e.htm

    I certainly don't think Sardinia warrants 2 cities. I'm not even sure Corsica warrants its own city.
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    Yeah, two cities in Sardinia might be overkill, those extra provinces are needed elsewhere. Still, I definately think that Sardinia and Corsica should be separate provinces. Not only for obvious gameplay-reasons, but also because it makes no sense that if you conquer Sardinia, you get a complementary island for free. Corsica is a province in its own right, and should stay that way.
    The Romans conquered them separately, after all...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithridates VI Eupator View Post
    Yeah, two cities in Sardinia might be overkill, those extra provinces are needed elsewhere. Still, I definately think that Sardinia and Corsica should be separate provinces. Not only for obvious gameplay-reasons, but also because it makes no sense that if you conquer Sardinia, you get a complementary island for free. Corsica is a province in its own right, and should stay that way.
    The Romans conquered them separately, after all...
    Agree completely if there was no cap on # of cities. I'm not sure Corsica makes the top 199 in that map, tho.

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    boy do i love having acces as an Eb web dude to that sort of info cause i know the map size more or less! yea!

    and im not telling any body anything! ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mp0925 View Post
    boy do i love having acces as an Eb web dude to that sort of info cause i know the map size more or less! yea!

    and im not telling any body anything! ;)
    Why would you post that?

    Seems like complete spam to me. Or you are trying to be humerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGlobalizer View Post
    Karalis is the proper city choice in Sardinia; it was the most significant city on the island at the time. The only other hypothetical I would see would be Tharros, midway up the western coast (the city was established by Nuraghi, then conquered by the Phoenicians and later the Romans).

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    (Tower is from a later Spanish period.)

    I don't understand the placement of the port at the northeast of the island, however. Karalis was a significant port in its own right.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cagliari#Early_history
    http://www.isolasarda.com/nora-storia_e.htm

    I certainly don't think Sardinia warrants 2 cities. I'm not even sure Corsica warrants its own city.
    Nora was the administrative and military capital under both Carthage and Rome until early empire, Karali was definitely bigger but mainly a commercial city where ore from the mines and other good would flow to the port directed towards africa and other destinations.

    Anyways, on a second thought: Could you guys consider putting a permanent fort in the center of Sardinia to represent the independent tribes over there?
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