MTW-Redux Beta Released!

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Axalon

Couple of quick points in response, since I am on line.

Very happy to keep trying things out on "redux pure". Just keep telling me what would help, and I will get around to it.

I understand all your logic round the Byz - except the low build requirements for their infantry. It meant I could keep instantly spamming them out any time I took a province, however unByzantine its character.

Now I have a hangup about realism, and here it seems to me realism and gameplay go together. Shouldn't I have to socialise the province a bit, and put in a bit of infastructure, before they will line up to wear my uniform? I reckon the Byz never got any decent infantry out of Italy even though they ruled in the south for hundreds of years.

My point about adding a weak militia (which doesn't have to be a new unit - the Catholics have one already that could be cloned) is that you have nicely simulated the feel of a Byzantine field army. But those guys didn't garrison cities - and sometimes, even in the field, they had to be bulked out with quickly raised levies who could just hold a spear and stand in place.

My field regiments should be precious rather than spam, so my suggestion is to make them quite a bit more expensive and give me townsmen to do the spam jobs (but so poor that they are not good for much).

I offer this as a suggestion for the greater good of Redux (and because I like a bit of debate). Ultimately you have made it possible for us all make our own adjustments, so we don't have to fall out!

Regarding cataphracts, I would double size and restrict where they can be built. Historically their breeding grounds were Anatolia and Rum and they went extinct after the Turks took these, the last remnants having to be consolidated in one super regiment, a bit like Napoleon's cavalry officers on the retreat from Moscow.

I'm still seeing my "bug" by the way - rebel monoculture followed, eventually, by diversity. It's not a major problem, because it's possible to tweak what the monoculture will be, but it's certainly curious.

[Baron von Manteuffel]

Hi, I think I understand your intent now with the Byzantines and that's cool. I'm up for the experiment 1A. I'll try that this evening. Don't know if it is by design or not but there are two factions that start with the default 2000 florins. One is the Burgundians and the other, I'm not sure. Maybe the Lithuanians?

[Axalon]

**** Manteuffel! You are absolutely right!

I had forgotten to fill in the “coffers” of both Lithuania and Burgundy in the “startpos”! I my book that at least an error! There you go again Manteuffel, you are good hunter no doubt about that! EDIT: I had also overlooked Russia.

On a different note, I’m really interested in your coming results from experiment “1a”. If it works the way I hope it will, then ….!!!.... That would be drop-dead cool!

Once again, good luck!


Cheers man.

[Raz]

Err, the download link on the first page for the RAR-ed version isn't working. The one linking to filefront.
Just thought I'd share that with you.

[Axalon]

Thanks Raz, I’m on it….

EDIT: All the links are operational again.

[Baron von Manteuffel]

Okay, I played around with the engagement threshold increasing the value from 1500 to 10000, as you requested. I used the Agincourt battlefield and made sure it was a fine day. Tested the French with 3 Frankish Spearmen, 2 Regular Infantry, 2 Frankish Crossbowmen, and 1 Royal Knight unit against the English with 3 English Spearmen, 2 Regular Infantry, 1 Longbowmen, 1 Feudal Longbowmen, and 1 English Foresters unit. I tested this same scenario 8 times and the results were: I believe the missle fire was more deadly, but I wouldn't go as far to say 'beyond a shadow of a doubt'. At first I tried so hard to find a discernable difference that I increased the value to 100000 with the idea of making it obvious, but I couldn't see a difference. I don't know if the game can recognize a value that high anyway so I went the down to 1000. Again, no discernable difference. What was obvious was that the English always chose the Longbowmen unit as their General unit. I made the French attack them with a simple frontal assault every time without flanking maneuvers or anything fancy. 50% of the time the English met them head on with their infantry up front and bowmen in the rear, and 50% of the time their infantry went way over to their right and paraded around while I went for their general unit. Wierd??? Reguarding the engagement threshold, I thought the value indicated when one infantry unit engages with another in hand to hand combat, the collision mass of the men at the point or threshold of the engagement. Not really sure how that would affect a missle unit, but it did appear the missle fire was more accurate and deadly at the value of 10000. Hope this helps. to me

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Axalon

I'd echo the Baron's comments. I expected something dramatic and didn't see it. Playing with a classic French line-up, a couple of times I manoeuvred my cavalry so I didn't get shredded, got in among the bows and beat them. More often, if I played it straight and just marched straight into the arrows, I'd get decimated before contact - but that seems normal.