MTW-Redux Beta Released!

[Achilleslastand]

To me it seems that your MTW 1.1 files have not been replaced with the mod files if you just get MTW 1.1.

Unzip the mod files somewhere else.
Then change the name to "medieval - Total War", if it is named "Redux - Total War", otherwise leave it the same.
Then drop it (or copy it) in the "Total War" file in "Program Files" (if you have installed MTW 1.1 in the automatic way).

This "should" do the job.
Are you shure you upgraded to 1.1 (check in the options menu after opening the game what version it tells you it is).

Hope this will help. Otherwise Ax will have to do the work.

Hmm tried this with same results.......maybe im missing a step or something...

[William the Silent]

Hmm tried this with same results.......maybe im missing a step or something...

Let's see if the Redux files were copied in your MTW 1.1.
Go to "campmap/startpos" and see if the files "ReduxSP", "ReduxSPC", etc are in there.
If not then you didn't install right. If yes then wait for Axalon to give an answer.
It's very frustrating . I've had stuff like that happening.
I actually had problems with using MTW 1.1, but I upgraded up to VI 2.01 and my problems were gone.

It's a fun game. I'm gonna go play .

[orph]

Hi Axalon,

Firstly, I'd like to thank and congratulate you on your work.
MTW Redux is without a doubt the best mod I have played on. I love what you've done with the units and buildings, especially the champions and unit sizes.

Please keep up the great work.

One small bug I found - when completing the construction of an abbey, the finished construction message does not have a picture.

Cheers
Kris

[Axalon]

Hello everyone, and a special rare double welcome to the Org *and* the redux corner of “MTW-land” to Orph. My welcome also goes to AchillesLastStand as well. Also my thanks go to William for stepping in and holding the fort here. Keeping this place covered, which is undoubtedly a good thing!


Achilles: first of all, welcome to the redux corner. Now let’s see if we can’t get your game up and running for you. In order for redux to run, it must be allowed to overwrite the original MTW files in the selected/intended installation. If it’s not allowed to do that, it simply won’t run and the effect of that would be the exact scenario that you are describing in your posts.

Now in order to make things happen you must do the:


"Install guide 1A, backup & problem edition":
---------------------------------------------------

1. Have MTW V.1.1 installed....

2. Determine exactly where this MTW V.1.1 installation is placed on your harddrive(s). As in X:/????/?????/Medieval – Total War or something similar like that (since you seem to use that variant). You must find out the exact path of where your MTW is placed on your computer. Once you do that all of this gets real easy.

3. Open the folder which contains the “Medieval – Total War”-folder in it. Keep it open, perhaps make the window smaller, but keep it open none the less. Let’s call this window the “MTW-Window” from now on.

4[b]. Decompress the redux files again or download the redux package again (just to be on the safe side here. That is, if you have not saved your redux-Rar/Zip somewhere). Within the folder you will get after you decompressed redux, there is another folder named “Redux – Total War”. Now make a copy of this “Redux – Total War” to let’s say; your desktop. Change the name of this copy, which is now placed on your desktop, to “Medieval – Total War”. Copy it.

5. Go back to the “MTW-Window” and paste, and let it replace and overwrite all the necessery files until it’s done.

6. Start up MTW and play redux....

*However, you should also download and install the “Islamic castle fix” as well (using the exact same method again and the exact right install path as well) to have an optimal game going.

**If the utter disaster scenario strikes:
If the game still don’t work, even if you have followed above instructions 1-6 exactly. My only advice to you is to uninstall MTW, then reinstall it again. Patch it up. Download another copy of redux and do step 1-6 again. This should in theory work and secure a funtional game on your PC. If it don't, well then my knowhow on PC's and windows have met it's match.

---------------------------------------------------
7. “Optional Task”, report back here to the redux thread and let us all know the good news that game is now up and running (It should be, at least). I would sure appreciate it to have this verified by you and probably others as well. While you’re at it perhaps you could share with which faction you intend to/have started to play and at which difficulty level. But at the very least, please verify that the problem is solved so we can move on to other stuff.



Orph: many thanks for the praise, I can’t get any higher grades than that, now can I?!? And thanks for the info regarding the abbey. I will look into it some more and if all you say here adds up I will put your name in the credits in the VI-upgrade pack for this. But as far as I can tell for the time being, all the files are in there. This certainly seems strange. Regardless, do stick around and feel free to post in questions and comments if you want share any of those with the rest of us. Again, welcome!


Baron: Now, didn’t I say earlier that the AI was a coward? He he! You just proved that the AI is too cowardly for its own good!

Although, many thanks for the Intel and no it did not matter much that you played on “Normal”, as you know it essentially only make an impact on the AI behaviour and starting cash for the faction in question. and you played long enough to at least cancel the effects of the starting cash at any rate.

What I was looking for was recruitment issues and the tactical profile on the Moors. And your little story confirms that there are no problems in that area, which is good!

At any rate, I have decided anyhow that I will unlock the ghazi- warriors, archers and cavalry units for the Moors. Much in the same way the Catholics get crusade units with an order palace. In this case however it is of course with a ribat instead, and an increased building cost for it to balance things out. Other than that, I also unlocked the desert warriors for them, making those available with a “Blacksmith” in place. I guess that makes you and perhaps others as well happy (how about that Qurtubi?) since that ultimatly means that there will be more units available.

“I have 7 different Medieval/Rome TW mods installed that I play so they all stay somewhat fresh, if that makes any sense.” No, it doesn’t. Whatever makes you happy man!


Western: We’ll hold the fort for you while you are away, beyond the safe borders of “MTW-land”.... He he!

As usual, you do have a point, this time with the tactical diversity argument regarding the “Moorish Jinets”; you almost beat me with my own perspective! However, this is also a matter of available bif-plates, and there is none that satisfactory supports such a thing (as far as I can tell at least). And the arduous process of making one for this is simply not worth it (even If I did know how to), considering what you get in the other end. I’m pretty sure you agree with me on that. Besides making new room for “default-units” is more or less impossible by now, I have found that out the hard way. There simply is no more room; otherwise stability goes out the window. And neither you nor I want that to happen, since I know that you are an avid supporter for stability (this of course is a good thing).

To be perfectly honest with you, I never though much about it since I personally was never that impressed with spear throwers or the jinets from the original game. I though those to be all but useless ”swordfood” essentially never did see them make a true impact in battle.


Will: “These Moors are way too powerfull. Can you imagine: I'm playing Norse right now and I have to fight stacks and stacks of Moor Navy.” No they aint, they just got more florins and castles than you do, that’s all...

Thanks again for you helping out here on the thread man.


Cheers guys!

[William the Silent]

Mr Axalon.
I started playing the spanish and I noticed that there were no units in Navarra. I just could walk in there and it was mine. He he!

[western]

Axalon

I'm not surprised by what you say re jinetes. I had noticed that javelin cavalry are rarer than hen's teeth in all Mods, and I presumed there was a reason. It's a shame but there we are. If we can't have javelins, then having Moors and Arabs much as they are is the best thing. From a realism point of view I'd hate to see these guys dominated by horse archers - that's not how they fought.

In my offshoot of redux I'm having a lot of fun trying to beat the Moors. My Spanish are going down heroically time after time, but each campaign is different and always a challenge. I love the unit balance you've achieved - good units prove their worth, but none of the main units is absurdly jedi or completely useless. So I may have fiddled around with the playing field, but I'm playing the teams much as you set them up, and the battles are some of the best I've had in several years now of playing. I'm glad to see from the forums that increasing numbers of people seem to be giving this Mod a whirl (of those of us that are left now the crowds have moved on to MTW2)

[Achilleslastand]

Hello everyone, and a special rare double welcome to the Org *and* the redux corner of “MTW-land” to Orph. My welcome also goes to AchillesLastStand as well. Also my thanks go to William for stepping in and holding the fort here. Keeping this place covered, which is undoubtedly a good thing!


Achilles: first of all, welcome to the redux corner. Now let’s see if we can’t get your game up and running for you. In order for redux to run, it must be allowed to overwrite the original MTW files in the selected/intended installation. If it’s not allowed to do that, it simply won’t run and the effect of that would be the exact scenario that you are describing in your posts.

Now in order to make things happen you must do the:


"Install guide 1A, backup & problem edition":
---------------------------------------------------

1. Have MTW V.1.1 installed....

2. Determine exactly where this MTW V.1.1 installation is placed on your harddrive(s). As in X:/????/?????/Medieval – Total War or something similar like that (since you seem to use that variant). You must find out the exact path of where your MTW is placed on your computer. Once you do that all of this gets real easy.

3. Open the folder which contains the “Medieval – Total War”-folder in it. Keep it open, perhaps make the window smaller, but keep it open none the less. Let’s call this window the “MTW-Window” from now on.

4[b]. Decompress the redux files again or download the redux package again (just to be on the safe side here. That is, if you have not saved your redux-Rar/Zip somewhere). Within the folder you will get after you decompressed redux, there is another folder named “Redux – Total War”. Now make a copy of this “Redux – Total War” to let’s say; your desktop. Change the name of this copy, which is now placed on your desktop, to “Medieval – Total War”. Copy it.

5. Go back to the “MTW-Window” and paste, and let it replace and overwrite all the necessery files until it’s done.

6. Start up MTW and play redux....

*However, you should also download and install the “Islamic castle fix” as well (using the exact same method again and the exact right install path as well) to have an optimal game going.

**If the utter disaster scenario strikes:
If the game still don’t work, even if you have followed above instructions 1-6 exactly. My only advice to you is to uninstall MTW, then reinstall it again. Patch it up. Download another copy of redux and do step 1-6 again. This should in theory work and secure a funtional game on your PC. If it don't, well then my knowhow on PC's and windows have met it's match.

---------------------------------------------------
7. “Optional Task”, report back here to the redux thread and let us all know the good news that game is now up and running (It should be, at least). I would sure appreciate it to have this verified by you and probably others as well. While you’re at it perhaps you could share with which faction you intend to/have started to play and at which difficulty level. But at the very least, please verify that the problem is solved so we can move on to other stuff.



Orph: many thanks for the praise, I can’t get any higher grades than that, now can I?!? And thanks for the info regarding the abbey. I will look into it some more and if all you say here adds up I will put your name in the credits in the VI-upgrade pack for this. But as far as I can tell for the time being, all the files are in there. This certainly seems strange. Regardless, do stick around and feel free to post in questions and comments if you want share any of those with the rest of us. Again, welcome!


Baron: Now, didn’t I say earlier that the AI was a coward? He he! You just proved that the AI is too cowardly for its own good!

Although, many thanks for the Intel and no it did not matter much that you played on “Normal”, as you know it essentially only make an impact on the AI behaviour and starting cash for the faction in question. and you played long enough to at least cancel the effects of the starting cash at any rate.

What I was looking for was recruitment issues and the tactical profile on the Moors. And your little story confirms that there are no problems in that area, which is good!

At any rate, I have decided anyhow that I will unlock the ghazi- warriors, archers and cavalry units for the Moors. Much in the same way the Catholics get crusade units with an order palace. In this case however it is of course with a ribat instead, and an increased building cost for it to balance things out. Other than that, I also unlocked the desert warriors for them, making those available with a “Blacksmith” in place. I guess that makes you and perhaps others as well happy (how about that Qurtubi?) since that ultimatly means that there will be more units available.

“I have 7 different Medieval/Rome TW mods installed that I play so they all stay somewhat fresh, if that makes any sense.” No, it doesn’t. Whatever makes you happy man!


Western: We’ll hold the fort for you while you are away, beyond the safe borders of “MTW-land”.... He he!

As usual, you do have a point, this time with the tactical diversity argument regarding the “Moorish Jinets”; you almost beat me with my own perspective! However, this is also a matter of available bif-plates, and there is none that satisfactory supports such a thing (as far as I can tell at least). And the arduous process of making one for this is simply not worth it (even If I did know how to), considering what you get in the other end. I’m pretty sure you agree with me on that. Besides making new room for “default-units” is more or less impossible by now, I have found that out the hard way. There simply is no more room; otherwise stability goes out the window. And neither you nor I want that to happen, since I know that you are an avid supporter for stability (this of course is a good thing).

To be perfectly honest with you, I never though much about it since I personally was never that impressed with spear throwers or the jinets from the original game. I though those to be all but useless ”swordfood” essentially never did see them make a true impact in battle.


Will: “These Moors are way too powerfull. Can you imagine: I'm playing Norse right now and I have to fight stacks and stacks of Moor Navy.” No they aint, they just got more florins and castles than you do, that’s all...

Thanks again for you helping out here on the thread man.


Cheers guys!

Ok ive tried everything you suggested Axalon step by step.....I even did a fresh install of MTW1.1 and a fresh d/l of redux again........Still all im getting is MTW vanilla........strange thing tho....when i open up the Medieval Total War files....as i go throught the files....there it sits all together in its own renamed file....i dont consider myself PC illiterate by any means......but this is like my 5th or 6th try and i am perplexed.........any ideas?

[Axalon]

Ok ive tried everything you suggested Axalon step by step.....I even did a fresh install of MTW1.1 and a fresh d/l of redux again........Still all im getting is MTW vanilla........strange thing tho....when i open up the Medieval Total War files....as i go throught the files....there it sits all together in its own renamed file....i dont consider myself PC illiterate by any means......but this is like my 5th or 6th try and i am perplexed.........any ideas?

Hello Achilles, (I will respond to you other guys as well but I really want to sort this thing out first, I will get back to you guys.)

Now, I REALLY don’t want to be rude, but what you are seemingly claiming is simply not possible, even in theory (or have I maybe misunderstood what you are trying say here). The only sane explanation I can think of is that you must have 2 or more MTW’s installed (or that you still install redux in a wrong way). If you use a short-cut to start the game, get rid of it! Because it might be set to start another installation of MTW. And don’t start off the CD either.

If the redux files really are in the right place, it will work. And believe me; you will know the difference when you start up the right installation and if it is properly installed. Now, start the right game by activating the “Medieval_TW.exe” in that very folder where the redux files is supposedly to be. If you don’t get a radically changed game by then, the files are simply not there or are not correctly installed.

An easy and certain way to check that out is to open up the intended “Medieval – Total War”-folder (as in the very folder you are trying to replace with redux), then go and open the “Quickstart”-folder. In there, search for any files which contains “redux” in their filenames. If there are, the redux files are installed. If not, redux is not installed.

“…as i go throught the files....there it sits all together in its own renamed file...”

Please be more detailed in this. Please be overly explicit. Where are these files you are talking about? Post in that path.

And another thing I want to be surer of, you do have admin rights? Right? And you do use the very same user-profile as you have when you installed MTW? Right? As I said earlier, I’m just making sure here. This is just so I can rule out any such possibilities.


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EDIT: Please also post in the exact and entire installation path for your intended MTW-install (as in the one you are trying to replace with redux).

EDIT2: If I remember everything correctly you can run MTW directly from the CD. When this happens you can only do so at really unsexy resolutions like 800x600 or something. Can you make the game go to a 1280x1024 res? If not you might be running MTW from your CD. Is that what has happened here? Frankly I am guessing here because I have too little info to go on. You must give me more info to enable me to give you some further pointers. Because without that, I can only do so much, and blind guessing is not that useful or productive here anyways.

*How many MTWs do you have installed?
*Are you really sure you have really replaced the right folder?
*What are your exact install path?

Respond at your convenience (personally I prefer fast, I always do). If I get no answer of any kind within 24hrs I will assume that it have all worked out for you. I would prefer and appreciate a verification from you.

- Cheers

[Achilleslastand]

Hello Achilles, (I will respond to you other guys as well but I really want to sort this thing out first, I will get back to you guys.)

Now, I REALLY don’t want to be rude, but what you are seemingly claiming is simply not possible, even in theory (or have I maybe misunderstood what you are trying say here). The only sane explanation I can think of is that you must have 2 or more MTW’s installed (or that you still install redux in a wrong way). If you use a short-cut to start the game, get rid of it! Because it might be set to start another installation of MTW. And don’t start off the CD either.

If the redux files really are in the right place, it will work. And believe me; you will know the difference when you start up the right installation and if it is properly installed. Now, start the right game by activating the “Medieval_TW.exe” in that very folder where the redux files is supposedly to be. If you don’t get a radically changed game by then, the files are simply not there or are not correctly installed.

An easy and certain way to check that out is to open up the intended “Medieval – Total War”-folder (as in the very folder you are trying to replace with redux), then go and open the “Quickstart”-folder. In there, search for any files which contains “redux” in their filenames. If there are, the redux files are installed. If not, redux is not installed.

“…as i go throught the files....there it sits all together in its own renamed file...”

Please be more detailed in this. Please be overly explicit. Where are these files you are talking about? Post in that path.

And another thing I want to be surer of, you do have admin rights? Right? And you do use the very same user-profile as you have when you installed MTW? Right? As I said earlier, I’m just making sure here. This is just so I can rule out any such possibilities.


------------
EDIT: Please also post in the exact and entire installation path for your intended MTW-install (as in the one you are trying to replace with redux).

EDIT2: If I remember everything correctly you can run MTW directly from the CD. When this happens you can only do so at really unsexy resolutions like 800x600 or something. Can you make the game go to a 1280x1024 res? If not you might be running MTW from your CD. Is that what has happened here? Frankly I am guessing here because I have too little info to go on. You must give me more info to enable me to give you some further pointers. Because without that, I can only do so much, and blind guessing is not that useful or productive here anyways.

*How many MTWs do you have installed?
*Are you really sure you have really replaced the right folder?
*What are your exact install path?

Respond at your convenience (personally I prefer fast, I always do). If I get no answer of any kind within 24hrs I will assume that it have all worked out for you. I would prefer and appreciate a verification from you.

- Cheers

Thank you for the quick reply Axalon....i will give you as much info as i can....
I only have 1 MTW installed....MTW 1.1 i usually play from disk and usually play at 1280x1024 althought i have played as high as 1440x980 i believe,,,
The install path is.....Local Disk C/Program Files/Total War/Medieval Total War
I have checked the quickstart folder and there is no redux to be found.
And what i meant to say about the files......i renamed redux medieval total war then installed it over the medieval total war folder......then when i opened MTW folder for example you can see all the files,battle,campmap,quickstart,logfiles,sounds,etc...then i also see the redux file that i renamed MTW and it is all together in 1 folder.
And yes i have full admin rights to everything on pc
I just d/l redux from filefront{the other d/l were from atomic gamer.....i will try everything again and not start the game from the CD.....i will keep you updated and thank you for all of your help.