Pheraspidai?

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Che Roriniho 10:47 08-09-2008

Hello there. I am currently playing through a Makedonia Campaign, and for some reason, neither on the RV, or in the game, I don't seem to be able to recruit Pheraspidai ANYWHERE, even though my Unit Cards collection states the contrary. My guess is that they were taken out, but why? They fill a gap that nothing else really fills, other than perhaps the Peltastai Makedonai, but from all I can tell, these are very lacking when it comes to ability (see the surprisingly bad units thread).

I was going to stick these behind the Hypaspists in my Formation, so as to have a Royal Guard, nbut this seems impossible. Ummmm... help?

Ludens 10:55 08-09-2008

Pheraspidai were renamed Peltastai Makedonike in the latest build.

Legosoldier 10:56 08-09-2008

the pheraspidai are peltastai makedonikoi. they are pretty much the same units.

Che Roriniho 10:56 08-09-2008

Originally Posted by Ludens:
Pheraspidai were renamed Peltastai Makedonike in the latest build.

Oh right... more historical question, but would these feature in Alexandros' armies?

Ludens 21:11 08-09-2008

Alexander used his hypaspistai for assault missions, but how these would have been equipped I have no idea. IIRC they were used both as pikemen and in more open-order formations. The elite peltasts were also recruited from the best of the Macedonian recruitment system, but this wasn't in place yet in Alexander's time.

abou 21:26 08-09-2008

My theory is that the Hypaspistai were phalangites and that the Agema of the Hypaspistai were hoplites. That seems to coordinate better with their development into the arygraspides and what not.

||Lz3|| 01:01 08-10-2008

I remember that in age of mithology hyspaspistai were just the average swordsmen

em... offtopic... nevermind <.<

Zarax 07:00 08-10-2008

Originally Posted by abou:
My theory is that the Hypaspistai were phalangites and that the Agema of the Hypaspistai were hoplites. That seems to coordinate better with their development into the arygraspides and what not.

It could also be something like this: Nobles or richer landowners who wanted to fight on foot fought as peltastai makedonoi when younger and more agile, later as hypaspists when they were more grizzled and finally as argiraspidai towards the end of their military career.

It's all assumptions of course but it would sound logical to me.

abou 10:51 08-13-2008

Not really. Neither during Alexander's time or later - at least as far as I understand it. O'Etairos knows more about Makedonia than I do, but the peltastai were an Antigonid development that derived from phalangites operating in roles other than the phalanx. It became a permanent unit and replaced the hypaspistai on the battlefield. In Makdonia, the hypaspistai were bodyguards and personal enforcers of the king. The argyraspides were veteran phalangites (and said to be formed by a core of hypaspistai and hence my toughts on the difference of equipment between the hypaspistai and agema) in Alexander's time, and probably the sons of military settlers during the Seleukid era.

Are you talking about the Antigonids or the Seleukids or Alexander?

Zarax 11:15 08-13-2008

In this case I was talking about the successors in general, might have mixed things I heard about different armies though.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus 13:23 08-13-2008

So the Hypaspistai din't really play a role on the battlefield in EB's timeframe? I hope you ain't going to remove them... After all the player can decide if he wants to fill them with new life (like the whole empire).

Tiberius Aurelius Cotta 16:45 08-13-2008

PLEASE don't remove the Hypaspistai...

Those things + elephants + Peltastai Makedonikoi = gg Ptolemaioi :D. They made my morning complete

Spartan198 18:40 08-13-2008

Please, I implore the EB team in all your knowledge and glory, do not remove the Hypaspistai from EB!

abou 19:42 08-13-2008

Oh, well, now the obvious choice is that we have to.

Che Roriniho 19:45 08-13-2008

Originally Posted by abou:
Oh, well, now the obvious choice is that we have to.

Don't you... *steals balloon*

HA! You're now in Balloon Debt! HA!

Sorry.

Ibrahim 22:38 08-13-2008

moral of the lesson: never give the EB team (known for mental sadism), any ideas whatsoever

I see though what abou is aiming at. If the Hypaspistai were merely the immediate footguard and officer corp (which became the core of the Argyraspids' officers) after Alexander's timeperiod, and some operated permanently in the peltast role, and then replaced the hypaspists on the battlefield, then we really do not need the hypaspists, in makedonia to begin with. at least, that's how i'm seeing this.

all this is confusing, but its going somewhere.

Tiberius Aurelius Cotta 11:56 08-16-2008

don't give him any ideas!!! they are EB's best unit!

well, as far as my limited experience can attest to

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