Grand Theft Auto IV (and R* rant)

[Bijo]

Some links:
http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/
http://www.gta4.net/news/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_4
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/g...to4/index.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/793/793799.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2924
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You know what I want with GTA4? I want the developers to develop for PC first, and then for console, like it's supposed to be, like in the old days. I've always thought the PC versions weren't as good as the console versions in some regards, mainly control over control settings, gamepad support, bugs, lack of patches, bad porting, etc.

Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****, and the only patch that came out was a 1.01 that removed some "pornish content" and made some minor updates.

But if you really look at the game, you see how it's flawed. Same old **** over and over. I think R* needs a better act, and stop reusing their old stuff like they've been doing for years now. I actually doubt they can come up with a worthy mind-boggling technically superior GTA4 for the PS3, or 360, let alone the PC.

I say this because in all those years they haven't done much in technical leaps when you regard those GTAs they made, as they were clinging to their old uses, here and there making a little engine upgrade. Now, the time has come to show that they gotta be tough sons o' ******* but whaddaya know? No GTA4's gonna come out, and the reason is that "the install base for the PS3" is too small. A LIE I TELL YOU!

Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards? They're STILL NOT DONE MILKING OUT THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY?

Yeah, you got that right: I'm bashing R*. And I do it 'cause they are (almost) superior when it comes to game presentation in sound, in cutscenes with superior acting, superior motion captures, and the likes, but they STILL CANNOT properly take care of the other IMPORTANT GAME ASPECTS (superior graphics, flawless non-frustrating gameplay, no bugs, proper PC gamepad support, etc.).

I think it'll take a long time before GTA4 will come out, 'cause I think (1) they're too busy thinking of ways to milk out the old stuff without too much effort; (2) they are still learning for the PS3; (5) there's no 5, but you can think of some yourself before that, and after it.

If GTA4 will not be a superior and fresh enough game, it's certain that R* has no need to innovate their cool franchise, or it simply cannot.

[/rant]

So.... and what do you hope to see with GTA4?

[edyzmedieval]

More porn, drugs, alcohol, blood, street fighting, rap music, thugs & grillz & chains....

Seriously, GTA is going downhill. Vice City rocked, SA was ok.

[doc_bean]

2 things:

1. The PC market is getting tiny, even companies like Id and Epic are moving to consoles (or combining), sales for PC games are pretty low and development can be tricky due to all the different hardware out there. Blame piracy, blame the market forces, but ultimately, they're companies and they need to make profit.

2. Rockstar was petitioned by fans to release LCS on the PS2, I heard, they released it for a budget price. It's not their fault people keep buying the same game over and over, people WANT more of the same, at least when it comes to GTA.

[Navaros]

The numbering in the OP and thread title is way off, which leads to confusion.

Vice City was GTA IV.

SA was GTA V.

This thread is asking about GTA VI, yet that's not what it says.

As for what I'd want in GTA VI, I'd want a deep story, deep characters, and deep gameplay. Ie: make it exactly like Mafia was, which in my view did the GTA-esque format a million times better than GTA ever did. But that probably won't sell as much as dumbed-down GTA-formula games do, so no chance of that happening.

[Geoffrey S]

If Rockstar call their game GTA IV, then that's probably what we should be calling it too.

[Talbot]

Vice City and San Andreas were still GTA3, reason being it they used the same engine.

The new one will be GTA4.

[The Foolish Horseman]

Cant wait for Gta 4


Cant wait for the trailer to come out this month for it.

Also it would be cool if they released in DX10 (direct x 10 n00bs) which is vista-only. As i am getting it in a couple of months to coincide with its release, it would make it more worthwhile.

[Bob the Insane]

Yeah... back to the roots I say...

I want my GTA in 2d... Top down view with the biggest sprites on earth!!!

Progress sucks!!!

Seriously, despite owning a 360 I am a PC gamer at heart (the 360 is my first console, my first PC was a 286 10MHz with 1MB Ram and a 20MB HD, VGA anyone? Adlib sound card )...

Have you seen Saints Row on the 360? If GTA4 looks like that or a little better (and way bigger) I will be happy...

[TB666]

If they bring back the charm of Vice City then it will be good.
SA was just meh.

[Bijo]

2 things:

1. The PC market is getting tiny, even companies like Id and Epic are moving to consoles (or combining), sales for PC games are pretty low and development can be tricky due to all the different hardware out there. Blame piracy, blame the market forces, but ultimately, they're companies and they need to make profit.

2. Rockstar was petitioned by fans to release LCS on the PS2, I heard, they released it for a budget price. It's not their fault people keep buying the same game over and over, people WANT more of the same, at least when it comes to GTA.

Hmmmm, yes, you might have a point with 1.

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

[doc_bean]

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

They're 14 ?

[Bijo]

Maybe.

Any case, I've seen enough people who didn't participate in any petition who are old and who are GTA fans who were very happy to see milked out those games coming out.

[lars573]

Some links:
http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/
http://www.gta4.net/news/index.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_4
http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/g...to4/index.html
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/793/793799.html
http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=2924
_________________

You know what I want with GTA4? I want the developers to develop for PC first, and then for console, like it's supposed to be, like in the old days. I've always thought the PC versions weren't as good as the console versions in some regards, mainly control over control settings, gamepad support, bugs, lack of patches, bad porting, etc.

Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****, and the only patch that came out was a 1.01 that removed some "pornish content" and made some minor updates.

But if you really look at the game, you see how it's flawed. Same old **** over and over. I think R* needs a better act, and stop reusing their old stuff like they've been doing for years now. I actually doubt they can come up with a worthy mind-boggling technically superior GTA4 for the PS3, or 360, let alone the PC.

I say this because in all those years they haven't done much in technical leaps when you regard those GTAs they made, as they were clinging to their old uses, here and there making a little engine upgrade. Now, the time has come to show that they gotta be tough sons o' ******* but whaddaya know? No GTA4's gonna come out, and the reason is that "the install base for the PS3" is too small. A LIE I TELL YOU!

Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards? They're STILL NOT DONE MILKING OUT THAT OLD TECHNOLOGY?

Yeah, you got that right: I'm bashing R*. And I do it 'cause they are (almost) superior when it comes to game presentation in sound, in cutscenes with superior acting, superior motion captures, and the likes, but they STILL CANNOT properly take care of the other IMPORTANT GAME ASPECTS (superior graphics, flawless non-frustrating gameplay, no bugs, proper PC gamepad support, etc.).

I think it'll take a long time before GTA4 will come out, 'cause I think (1) they're too busy thinking of ways to milk out the old stuff without too much effort; (2) they are still learning for the PS3; (5) there's no 5, but you can think of some yourself before that, and after it.

If GTA4 will not be a superior and fresh enough game, it's certain that R* has no need to innovate their cool franchise, or it simply cannot.

[/rant]

So.... and what do you hope to see with GTA4?

Wow! So many assumptions. GTAIV is being developed as an Xbox timed exclusive (which means the 360 version first others later). The Xbox has a very similar comfiguartion to a PC, and it's being done with some new engine. Unreal 3 I think. That said very few games are going to be developed for the PC first ever again. Being as it's so small.

[Bob the Insane]

Regarding 2, I think "these fans" are too easily entertained, and they aren't critical enough. The core development of GTA has stood still for years and it's time to move on. How can they not get tired of the same old rubbish?

Dude, some people still play tetris...


Heck, I even know a few how play board games, on an actual table!!

[Bijo]

Tetris has nothing to do with this, and board games also. But if you want to include it.... Tetris is not the kind of game to be developed strongly ever since its birth, because it's good the way it is. It's one of those simple games that just hits the spot right away and becomes an instant classic people will be playing in a century (as a matter of speaking). Board games are out of the question totally as they are not video games.

Fact is GTA series are computer video games still seriously being brought out and "worked on", and it's common to develop such video games to be better and better. Fact is GTA's development has stood still for years, and that is an unpleasant fact (at least to a critical mind).

[lars573]

Actually what held back GTA III and it's spin-offs (what R* calls SA and VC) is that they were built for the PS2. Not the Xbox or the PC.

[edyzmedieval]

I still wonder how people can sell GTA VC and SA, and the buyers are under 18.

[doc_bean]

I still wonder how people can sell GTA VC and SA, and the buyers are under 18.

Morally or legally ? No one pays attention to age limits here. Well a little more than they used too, you could rent porn as a 12y old back when I was 12 (not that I did, of course), now I assume they enforce the 18 limit.

[lars573]

I still wonder how people can sell GTA VC and SA, and the buyers are under 18.

Since there are few laws about selling a M/18 rated game to anyone under that age it's up to the store to enforce the rating or not.

[Quintus Of Pompeii]

I would just like to say. Either you are immitating the games language or, You have a very bad mouth. If your mother saw that do you think she would be proud. Come on people. Just because we are talking about a M/18 game doesn't mean we have to violate the .Orgs rules does. Calm it down a bit.
For example "Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****" and "Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards?"

-Q

[The Foolish Horseman]

Lets just say something here:

GTA SA is so easy to buy when you are under 18. Im in town right now, and i have already seen tow ten year olds with no parents present buy GTA


Thats is weird

[econ21]

Dumb question - but what are GTA games like? I play mainly strategy games and RPGs, so it is not clear they would appeal to me. But I've enjoyed Max Payne 2 and Mafia a lot - are there any simularities? I'd be looking for a game with a good story, characters and some fun combat. Stealing cars and running over innocents etc has no appeal in and of itself.

If I were to try one, which one should it be? (PC only).

[Bijo]

I would just like to say. Either you are immitating the games language or, You have a very bad mouth. If your mother saw that do you think she would be proud. Come on people. Just because we are talking about a M/18 game doesn't mean we have to violate the .Orgs rules does. Calm it down a bit.
For example "Look at GTA: SA PC... it really is a piece o' ****" and "Look at those Liberty City stories and the other one: I was thinking "What the ****???!?" They still reusing that old stuff like cheap bastards?"

-Q

Bah. The thread title described a rant, and it's obvious a rant can contain certain language. As far as I know, rules aren't broken. That example you put breaks no rules either, otherwise I would've already been warned by a mod when the thread was made, so the first post is in order. Your opinions and assumptions etc. - in that quote - are entirely subjective, personal, and understandable (and I'd even say irrelevant and illogical :P but let's not make it worse)


econ, I've heard there are similarities in gameplay regarding GTA and Mafia, but I'm not too sure. If you're gonna play a GTA game, I'd recommend Vice City, for it has great atmosphere, acting, presentation, and such. Stealing cars and running over people is just one of the many side things you might choose to do if you're bored or need to let off some steam or whatever. There's always the main story (missions) to be followed (wherein you'll probably need to steal cars once in a while anyway, and where you'd accidentally run over pedestrians when in a hurry, etc.).

-edit-
Forgot to answer your main question:
GTA is mainly about crime, and lots of things that you can do. Apart from missions and the story, you can go look around and buy safehouses, change your clothes, "change from" vehicles, make money on the side, run around and beat people up, or be beaten up yourself. Side missions include delivering pizzas for instance to make some more money, etc. GTA series are always big games with big game worlds, becoming bigger with every new one, and there's always loads of stuff to do.
Go for Vice City for a good experience, or go for San Andreas which is imo not so great, though still enjoyable if you look past the flaws (if you notice them in the first place).

[edyzmedieval]

Dumb question - but what are GTA games like? I play mainly strategy games and RPGs, so it is not clear they would appeal to me. But I've enjoyed Max Payne 2 and Mafia a lot - are there any simularities? I'd be looking for a game with a good story, characters and some fun combat. Stealing cars and running over innocents etc has no appeal in and of itself.

If I were to try one, which one should it be? (PC only).

Mafia and Max Payne are different from GTA, IMHO.

GTA is just about drugs, black people, prostitutes, shooting in the middle of the town ( I loved in Vice City taking the tank and starting to destroy everything possible. ), blood, gangsters... It depends if you like it. I like it, because it's very comprehensive, and it takes some time to complete it. But after I complete it, I throw it away.

It's much violence. Do I have to mention that every 5 seconds you here the F word?

[doc_bean]

Dumb question - but what are GTA games like? I play mainly strategy games and RPGs, so it is not clear they would appeal to me. But I've enjoyed Max Payne 2 and Mafia a lot - are there any simularities? I'd be looking for a game with a good story, characters and some fun combat. Stealing cars and running over innocents etc has no appeal in and of itself.

If I were to try one, which one should it be? (PC only).

I didn't think I would like GTA games, but two years ago i bought Vice City on a whim and found it surprisingly entertaining. The missions feel very old skool, like a level you have to beat, some can be frustrating (flying sucketh) most are pretty entertaining. Driving around the city is pretty fun, especially because VC has an awesome soundtrack which you can listen too (and hilarious talk show radio).

The game is about crime, but you don't feel very criminal imo, stealing a car is just a matter of pressing a button, shooting and killing isn't nearly as gruesome as with some fps games. Mostly, I'd consider it a driving game, but with loads of freedom.

You really should try it, Vice City is dirt cheap these days.

EDIT: I never did finish the game though, not even the main 'quest', but I played it for many hours, so i definately feel like it was worth getting.

[lars573]

Dumb question - but what are GTA games like? I play mainly strategy games and RPGs, so it is not clear they would appeal to me. But I've enjoyed Max Payne 2 and Mafia a lot - are there any simularities? I'd be looking for a game with a good story, characters and some fun combat. Stealing cars and running over innocents etc has no appeal in and of itself.

If I were to try one, which one should it be? (PC only).

Either of the two GTA III spin-offs (Vice City and San Andreas) are good. Vice City is based on Miami in the 80's. Pastel shirts and vapid me generation, Scarface, and Miami vice jokes (very dark humor though). San Andreas is a mix of California and Nevada in the early 90's. Both have good stories. And a wide variety of missions. San Andreas has some RPG-esque elements for the main character CJ. He needs to eat. He can get fat, he can build muscle, and he can level up his stats in driving, running, swimming, etc.

[edyzmedieval]

I like SA because it's a mix of RPG, in depth game, cars and missions to accomplish.

Anyone tried the Hot Coffee mod?

[Bob the Insane]

EDIT: I never did finish the game though, not even the main 'quest', but I played it for many hours, so i definately feel like it was worth getting.

It would not bee to much of a spoiler to say it has a great Scarface-esk ending...

[LuckyDog Trojan]

I've always enjoyed the GTA series of games - and I am looking forward to the release of their latest installment in the line later this year. Even though I'm a PC die-hard, I've only played the various GTA games on a console unit. (Probably because it has really been designed for that platform).

To go on, doc bean touches on a note-worthy point above: the ratio of PC & Console gamers. At one time, I was PC ONLY and snubbed my nose at the console systems. I used to view console units being played by 12 and thirteen year olds. Not any more. Game content & material has improved dramatically - and - the technological gap that used to be quite wide between the two platforms has been reduced considerably.

[Bob the Insane]

Well the teaser trailer is out...

I have to say, I am impressed with visuals presented in it...

It would appear we are returing to Liberty city in it's full Next Gen glory. It could almost be TV footage of NYC, unless you stare to close in which case it is obvious computer generated. There is a lot of debate about whether this imagery indicates a new move towards realisim or not, but then this is just a teaser trailer...

There is also debate at whether this indicates a reduction in scale from the GTA3:SA release...

I am glad to see all the old humour... Clucking Bell is still in, there is a movie title "I slept with your Mom", MeTV, a drink called "Sprunk - the essence of Life", eCola, the GetaLife building, a beer called Pisswassier, a show called "America's Next Top Hooker", Burger Shot is adveristing the Heart Stopper...

It is only a teaser trailer and I am laughing already... :D