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    Uhm, on the "importance" of the english language, if you say it is wrong to impose english on immigrants, then isn't it wrong as well if the immigrants impose spanish on the natives?
    And aren't the immigrants the ones who come to reap the benefits of the natives? Wouldn't it be a show of courtesy and thankfulness to learn the language of the natives in orrder to communicate with them?...
    Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.

    Let me give you an example: for about 2 years or so I hired this team of mexican guys to do landscaping work for me. Out of 5 guys only 1 spoke English, and he was the head honcho of that group. The remaining 4 guys managed to get by without learning a word of English. Now, *who am I to tell them to learn it when they clearly do not *need* it to survive?

    Now, when getting U.S. citizenship one must demonstrate the knowledge of English and U.S. history and that's great. Citizenship is serious business, but if some mexicans came here to make a buck and they can do it without speaking English, it does not bother me one bit.
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    Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.

    Let me give you an example: for about 2 years or so I hired this team of mexican guys to do landscaping work for me. Out of 5 guys only 1 spoke English, and he was the head honcho of that group. The remaining 4 guys managed to get by without learning a word of English. Now, *who am I to tell them to learn it when they clearly do not *need* it to survive?

    Now, when getting U.S. citizenship one must demonstrate the knowledge of English and U.S. history and that's great. Citizenship is serious business, but if some mexicans came here to make a buck and they can do it without speaking English, it does not bother me one bit.
    There is more to life than just surviving. These landscapers probably didn’t make squat had no benefits and have little chance of getting a real job and becoming a productive member of society without being able to communicate.

    My Bosnian neighbor struggled with the language but his wife caught on fast. She was able to get a nice office job with AC in the summer and heat in the winter, benefits, vacations, etc. he was barley able to hold a job in a factory with the constant threat of layoffs and no temp control or benefits. Eventually he was able to get a better job but he use to joke with me about the most important things for him about America were learning the language and visiting the dentist (he had bad teeth and no dentist back in Bosnia).

    Language is important unless you want to be 1 of 4 landscapers that probably live like crap. Personally I don’t want any of my fellow citizens to have to live like a slave to honcho and be stuck doing low paying manual labor until they grow old and die at 40 leaving their kids in poverty.

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    that part made me laugh!
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    There is more to life than just surviving. These landscapers probably didn’t make squat had no benefits and have little chance of getting a real job and becoming a productive member of society without being able to communicate.

    My Bosnian neighbor struggled with the language but his wife caught on fast. She was able to get a nice office job with AC in the summer and heat in the winter, benefits, vacations, etc. he was barley able to hold a job in a factory with the constant threat of layoffs and no temp control or benefits. Eventually he was able to get a better job but he use to joke with me about the most important things for him about America were learning the language and visiting the dentist (he had bad teeth and no dentist back in Bosnia).

    Language is important unless you want to be 1 of 4 landscapers that probably live like crap. Personally I don’t want any of my fellow citizens to have to live like a slave to honcho and be stuck doing low paying manual labor until they grow old and die at 40 leaving their kids in poverty.
    That is absolutely true. However the hardship that they experience due to their deficiency in English is not my problem and none of my concern. If they want substandard living, they are free to have it. If they want to improve their lot in life, they are free to do so. I do not see however why in the world the people and much less the government should compel them to excel. I say leave them be and let them decide what is best for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    Nobody is imposing Spanish on the natives. As far as not requiring immigrants to learn English, this is a matter of principle: we are a free country in every sense of the word and we take this freedom very-very seriously. We will not violate our principles just so that Jack Anglosaxon feels better about himself. The truth is, most immigrants will learn English as a necessity for survival. Those who don't learn but still manage to survive? Well, kudos to them, they beat the system. As for those who do not learn and can't survive....well, they die and that is quite okay with me. There is very little reason to enforce English by law, as it enforces itself via pure economic necessity.


    You don't seem to like "the system", does "the system" also take this freedom very-very seriously and who established 2the system" and why would free people need a "the system"?
    Your thoughts about survival are very lovely as well, I may have called some people arrogant pricks but that does not mean it would be okay with me to see them suffer greatly or die.


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    You don't seem to like "the system", does "the system" also take this freedom very-very seriously and who established 2the system" and why would free people need a "the system"?
    Your thoughts about survival are very lovely as well, I may have called some people arrogant pricks but that does not mean it would be okay with me to see them suffer greatly or die.
    Like the system? No, I don't like the system, I *love* it. It is absolutely the best system in the world. Youre free to do whatever you want and nobody will force you to do anything. Wanna eat? Well, work. Don't wanna work? Then die, that's fine by me, as it is your choice. And no, it does not bother me one bit that someone dies due to their own refusal to work/learn/succeed. Not my problem. America guarantees the equality of *opportunity*, if somebody does not make anything out of their opportunity, it won't make me lose any sleep. Life, Liberty and *Pursuit* of Happiness. Nobody guarantees happiness, only the *pursuit* of it. If you do not pursue it, then you deserve whatever lot your life has thrown at you.
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    Youre free to do whatever you want
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    Why? You have evidence to dispute my claim? Let me re-iterate: you are free to do whatever you want. That is a fact. You can say whatever you want, you can worship whatever you want, you can hate whomever you want, you can succeed, or you can throw your life away. All that Uncle Sam asks is that you do not break the law. When it comes to liberty, America is head and shoulders above everyone else on this entire damn planet. Nobody comes close. Nobody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvg View Post
    All that Uncle Sam asks is that you do not break the law.
    Which is what other countries ask their populations to do also. What makes the laws right? Hasn't the law changed up through the years? What used to be illegal is now legal, and perhaps vice versa. You're taking the stance that the U.S. laws contains The absolute truth™ and are not amendable.


    You can say whatever you want, you can worship whatever you want, you can hate whomever you want, you can succeed, or you can throw your life away.
    Holds true for the entire West. Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.
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    Holds true for the entire West. Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.
    Oh, that's easy. You can deny the Holocaust and join the nazi party. You can own firearms. You can rent and watch "A Clockwork Orange" (banned in the UK), you can listen to Cannibal Corpse (banned in Germany), you can play Leisure Suite Larry on your PC (banned in Australia). The list goes on and on.

    When it comes to freedom, *we* are numero UNO.
    "And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman

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    Tell me something I can do in the U.S. that I cannot do in, for instance, my home country, the UK or France.
    Thats easy , you cannot eat beef full of certain growth hormones , that is because your country like all others isn't as great as the US
    Oh and in your country it is quite probable that you would not be able to make a statement that yours is the bestest most brilliantest ever country ever on this whole planet without people laughing uncontrollably at such arrogance and stupidity

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