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Dogukan 17:58 08-14-2008

is it accurate that they use monterfino helmets?
I thought they used this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...segmentata.jpg

and also shouldn't the Cohors Praetoriana use those pratorian(?) helmets?

satalexton 18:00 08-14-2008

YES, i win the bet. I KNEW a thread like this is bound to appear soon. Now my frd at the bar owes me 20 pounds. xD

Historians, let loose your knowledge =D

A Terribly Harmful Name 18:04 08-14-2008

Legionaries in the Republican period wore Mail and the Montefortino Helmet. Segmentata is a later invention outside the timespan of EB.

Mediolanicus 18:06 08-14-2008

Originally Posted by Dogukan:
is it accurate that they use monterfino helmets?
I thought they used this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...segmentata.jpg

and also shouldn't the Cohors Praetoriana use those pratorian(?) helmets?

Quoted from the Wiki article with that picture : "Lorica segmenta, or the iron band armor, was only commonly worn between the 2nd and 3rd century AD."

(hint : EB = 272BC - 14AD)

Che Roriniho 18:13 08-14-2008

Originally Posted by satalexton:
YES, i win the bet. I KNEW a thread like this is bound to appear soon. Now my frd at the bar owes me 20 pounds. xD

Historians, let loose your knowledge =D

Cohors reformata was after the Marian reforms, as you probably know. at this point in time, the most effecient helmet in terms of cost to manufacture and protection given. later on, the other hemets, like that one in the picture.

That legionary is an imperial legionary, and is wearing the Corbridge 'A' armour, which would put him at around 42 AD, which is much later than EB. The Helmet is The Imperial Italic type, but I'm not sure exactly which one. Even so, that helmet only came to use in the 1st Century AD.

That'seeffectively a crap legionary. Early imperial armour, but much later helmet. He is teh weard.

Dogukan 18:17 08-14-2008

Cohors Imperatoria
(Imperial LegionaryCohort)-https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html

In this picture they also wear monterfino helmet and I doN't think the armor is a lorica segmentata. But I haven't used these soldiers in game yet and I'm not a historian. I'd like to be enlightened about this though...

Che Roriniho 18:24 08-14-2008

Originally Posted by Dogukan:
Cohors Imperatoria
(Imperial LegionaryCohort)-https://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_romani_units.html

In this picture they also wear monterfino helmet and I doN't think the armor is a lorica segmentata. But I haven't used these soldiers in game yet and I'm not a historian. I'd like to be enlightened about this though...

I think that IS the montefortino helmet. not sure. That armour is Chain mail, or Loica Hamata if you want to sound clever.
In the time period of the marian reforms in EB, there were about 15 different helmets, so I guess the team just chose the most popular.
Glad to enlighten :D

Dogukan 18:26 08-14-2008

I see....well, thanks

Centurion Crastinus 21:29 08-14-2008

It says in the unit description that "Most legionnaires are now equipped with Coolus bronze helmets."

mcantu 22:32 08-14-2008

Originally Posted by Mediolanicus:
Quoted from the Wiki article with that picture : "Lorica segmenta, or the iron band armor, was only commonly worn between the 2nd and 3rd century AD."

(hint : EB = 272BC - 14AD)

he was asking about the helmet, not the armor...

Che Roriniho 23:32 08-14-2008

Originally Posted by mcantu:
he was asking about the helmet, not the armor...

I know, but we're pedants, mmkay?

Intranetusa 07:07 08-15-2008

$10 says the topic creator is actually someone in disguise, and only made this topic as a joke. XD

Matinius Brutus 11:41 08-15-2008

Originally Posted by Intranetusa:
$10 says the topic creator is actually someone in disguise, and only made this topic as a joke. XD

Accepted! Come on, Dogukan, tell us the truth! Are you or are you not someone in disguise? Show me the money!

Dogukan 16:42 08-15-2008

Originally Posted by Matinius Brutus:
Accepted! Come on, Dogukan, tell us the truth! Are you or are you not someone in disguise? Show me the money!

I am not someone in disguise,I'm totally newbie ;) but a very experienced total war player. I asked this question seriously

...and I'm still not relieved because the helmets on imperial roman legionary do not look like coolus(?) either. I haven't seen them closely though. I mean weren't the legionary in vanilla accurate?If there was variety though I think they were cooler. But realism is very important for me soooo...it won't matter.

Dogukan 16:51 08-15-2008

ok got my answers after checking this thread https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=53849
https://img253.imageshack.us/my.php?...sprinci8er.jpg

||Lz3|| 17:27 08-15-2008

you can get those helmets and cohorts imperatoria with an unoficial minimod , you can find that in the minimods forum

Intranetusa 05:23 08-16-2008

Originally Posted by Matinius Brutus:
Accepted! Come on, Dogukan, tell us the truth! Are you or are you not someone in disguise? Show me the money!

Aww dammit. Put it on my tab. =(

Originally Posted by Dogukan:
I mean weren't the legionary in vanilla accurate?If there was variety though I think they were cooler. But realism is very important for me soooo...it won't matter.

lol, the legionary in RTW vanilla are as accurate as the flaming pigs, war dogs, and Roman ninjas.

pezhetairoi 15:26 08-16-2008

Another convert to join the ranks under the Lord of Lorica Segmentata! >:D

Tiberius Aurelius Cotta 15:38 08-16-2008

anyone got any ideas as to how CA got so off when it comes to historical accuracy?

Ludens 17:18 08-16-2008

Well, for one thing they didn't have EB's researchers. For another, the people who have a decent knowledge about ancient history, much less care about it, are only a small part of the gaming community. If CA had taken EB's stance on lorica segmentata, their forums would have been turned into a warzone by Rome fanboys. The people who care about historical accuracy generally don't expect to see it in computer games. The few games that are accurate tend to be niche products. Amongst mainstream games, R:TW is one of the more accurate ones. Few games include chainmail-wearing legionary cohorts.

machinor 17:44 08-16-2008

And even less include Polybian legions.

Intranetusa 21:33 08-16-2008

or the British headhunter units who supposedly threw enemy heads that did more damage than artillery units.

or how the Egyptian faction was 1000 years off in historical accuracy

pezhetairoi 00:42 08-17-2008

Or how the barbarian factions were so generic.

Rilder 01:04 08-17-2008

I don't even remember Vanilla RTW...

I started playing EB back when it was first released to the public (0.7ish?) and I've never played vanilla since.

Rodrico Stak 03:00 08-17-2008

Originally Posted by Rilder:
I don't even remember Vanilla RTW...

Agreed, although for a different reason - I haven't payed vanilla RTW in years because I played many other games in-between before discovering EB.

satalexton 03:02 08-17-2008

same here, what is RTW >_>

Intranetusa 03:15 08-17-2008

Roman Trophy Wife

pezhetairoi 13:03 08-17-2008

Good one, intranetusa, really good one. XD

abou 13:11 08-17-2008

Guys, could we honestly try not being dicks in every thread that is opened? To be frank, many of you are lucky that I don't have mod powers.

EDIT: Very lucky.

Rilder 15:01 08-17-2008

/me wonders who abou is talking about.

None of the posts here seem very dickish to me...

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