Poll: Should the Augustan Reforms be removed?

**antisocialmunky** · 11-30-2008, 16:48

That's too bad, it is a little gamey if you have to suicide him against some pikes.

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-01-2008, 04:46

I don't play M2TW too often, so I'm not too aquainted with its triggers, but how's this: He goes to Rome no matter what, and you somehow get the option to support him or resist him (by gathering an army in the provinces, ala Brutus & Cassius).

However, I completely oppose any new units that would come from this reform. Rome takes enough unit slots as it is.

**theoldbelgian** · 12-01-2008, 11:09

mmh i agree on one premise, other factions would have to have this too, for example a character with low loyalty and high influence and a king with low authority and influence, you can then choose to support them

**Megas Methuselah** · 12-01-2008, 21:46

Nice.

**a completely inoffensive name** · 12-02-2008, 00:32

Let this thread die for another couple months before bringing it back.

**Pontius Pilate** · 12-02-2008, 01:02

one last thing. I think the Augustan Reforms should be in the game if the team still decides to have the start and end dates still 272BC-14AD, because for the simple reason that the reforms were used in this time period. The roman republic didn't last until 14AD. If the start and end dates change, then I can see a reasonably reason to exclude the imperial troops. I don't think the Camillian troops should be removed though, because that would seriously reduce the Romani's factional troop selection by too much. and if the imperial units were to be removed, which faction would get the unit slots?

**A Terribly Harmful Name** · 12-02-2008, 02:51

I don't understand this. I am sure that back during the beta the Romani team had good enough reasons to eat up that many slots and implement the Augustan Reforms, even knowing that they would be so late that only a very small percentage of players would ever reach them. If the game ends on 14AD, then they should be represented because it is historical, that's it. Should the game end on an earlier date, keeping the reforms would be moot.

**The Celtic Viking** · 12-03-2008, 13:52

Originally Posted by Pontius Pilate

one last thing. I think the Augustan Reforms should be in the game if the team still decides to have the start and end dates still 272BC-14AD, because for the simple reason that the reforms were used in this time period.

I think the Roman faction should be deleted and replaced by the Boii. After all, they existed in this time period. My point is that if by keeping the Augustan units means not including other units that were also used in this time period, this argument is moot.

Originally Posted by Pontius Pilate

The roman republic didn't last until 14AD. If the start and end dates change, then I can see a reasonably reason to exclude the imperial troops. I don't think the Camillian troops should be removed though, because that would seriously reduce the Romani's factional troop selection by too much. and if the imperial units were to be removed, which faction would get the unit slots?

Oh, I don't know... the new factions, perhaps? Those who have few as it is? It just doesn't seem very fair to me to give the slots to the faction that has the most, not when it's so extremely rare that anyone even gets the chance to train them anyway. Other factions could use them much better.