NSFW area?

[russia almighty]

Hey, how do you get into the back room anyway?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hey, how do you get into the back room anyway?

Go to "The Guild" main page, down to the misc. section, at the bottom of it should be "tavern" and then the 3rd subsection in that is "backroom".

[russia almighty]

I see nothing when I click on it.

[Che Roriniho]

Go to "The Guild" main page, down to the misc. section, at the bottom of it should be "tavern" and then the 3rd subsection in that is "backroom".

I couldn't get in. Besides, as I already said, it's like moving a real pub. All the faces have gone, you don't know anyone, and the atmosphere goes.

[satalexton]

...now all we need is a Ivlivs Caesar and a Cato to match...

how bout we start a different forum, and mark it as a 'EB-fans forum'?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Well this issue isn't like "we don't like the Tavern any more; we close it now."

I think I can speak for the team in saying nobody particularly liked the Tavern itself. As far as I can see most of us including myself, used not to mind it either. Just one of those threads you know. At time one might even commit to actually reading it or posting there.

But we've had rather [massive] outbreaks of SPAM, trolling, rudeness and general bad behaviour in this forum on multiple occasions. One such occasion saw the Tavern shut down; rudeness saw a page or two of the Tavern being wiped from these boards; and we've had another such occasion not too long ago.

The thing with a threat made in the Tavern to flood another mod's subfora with SPAM made us decide to do something that was pending for a long time. Much of the reasoning as outlined in the posts by Foot refer more to previous misbehaviour than to the last incident in the Tavern.

We do have a strong feeling that a lot of the misbehaviour elsewhere on these fora is fostered or incited at the Tavern; hence why it had to go first.

[a completely inoffensive name]

The thing with a threat made in the Tavern to flood another mod's subfora with SPAM made us decide to do something that was pending for a long time. Much of the reasoning as outlined in the posts by Foot refer more to previous misbehaviour than to the last incident in the Tavern.

We do have a strong feeling that a lot of the misbehaviour elsewhere on these fora is fostered or incited at the Tavern; hence why it had to go first.

Or, you could have banned the guy who made the treat post in the first place?

Honestly, if you expect me to hear you say that because a few said some things, everyone must pay and not complain about it, then you have made a huge mistake.

[Che Roriniho]

Well this issue isn't like "we don't like the Tavern any more; we close it now."

I think I can speak for the team in saying nobody particularly liked the Tavern itself. As far as I can see most of us including myself, used not to mind it either. Just one of those threads you know. At time one might even commit to actually reading it or posting there.

But we've had rather [massive] outbreaks of SPAM, trolling, rudeness and general bad behaviour in this forum on multiple occasions. One such occasion saw the Tavern shut down; rudeness saw a page or two of the Tavern being wiped from these boards; and we've had another such occasion not too long ago.

The thing with a threat made in the Tavern to flood another mod's subfora with SPAM made us decide to do something that was pending for a long time. Much of the reasoning as outlined in the posts by Foot refer more to previous misbehaviour than to the last incident in the Tavern.

We do have a strong feeling that a lot of the misbehaviour elsewhere on these fora is fostered or incited at the Tavern; hence why it had to go first.

Before this thread is locked, as it inevatably will be, as seems to be the case when someone says something the mods don't like, I need to explain, and retort these points. First of all, as I said in my above post, THE WHOLE REASON MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THE FORUM WAS THE TAVERN. Appo, Hooahguy, and I'm sure there's many more, also, just look at the views and posts. over 2,000 posts, that's the most on the forum, so saying no-one like it, is equivalent to saying no-one like the Sex Pistols because they couldn't lay to save their lives.

People have always made the Tav a home, whether or not the team understood this is neither here nor there, and the very fact that people have LEFT the forums, says something of the lack of forethopugh in this dicision.

That threat was out of loyalty, and no-one was really going to, partly because Hax told us not to, and us being decent individuals, we wouldn't trash someone elses work. This thing called jokes, you see.

Once again, Cheers EB.

[satalexton]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

now let's get back to talking about greek governments and roman tactics VS celtic arms shall we? =]

[Che Roriniho]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

now let's get back to talking about greek governments and roman tactics VS celtic arms shall we? =]

So abou's dream then? Sucking every ounce of soul from these forums, and then forgetting nothing happened. For remember, people who speak th truth and die, start revolutions.




CHE RORINIHO

[a completely inoffensive name]

dude, just let it off and let the world run itself will ya? history has long proved that speaking the truth from your heart is the quickest way to get you killed...or in this case, banned.

I highly doubt they will ban me because then that would be fair towards everyone. Just like how "someone made a threat in the tavern" they wont do anything except lock this down and punish everyone. If anyone bans me for this, then kudos to him or her because at least they are doing thier job right and not just cutting off the discussion entirely like a power hungry dictator.

[Hax]

Before this thread is locked, as it inevatably will be, as seems to be the case when someone says something the mods don't like, I need to explain, and retort these points. First of all, as I said in my above post, THE WHOLE REASON MANY PEOPLE CAME TO THE FORUM WAS THE TAVERN. Appo, Hooahguy, and I'm sure there's many more, also, just look at the views and posts. over 2,000 posts, that's the most on the forum, so saying no-one like it, is equivalent to saying no-one like the Sex Pistols because they couldn't lay to save their lives.

People have always made the Tav a home, whether or not the team understood this is neither here nor there, and the very fact that people have LEFT the forums, says something of the lack of forethopugh in this dicision.

That threat was out of loyalty, and no-one was really going to, partly because Hax told us not to, and us being decent individuals, we wouldn't trash someone elses work. This thing called jokes, you see.

Once again, Cheers EB.

Miscommunication. Comments like that, whether jokingly or not, are bound to have severe consequences. Jokes are hard to really get over the internet, so this was indeed a problem. I had feared that the threat in the Tavern would close it again, but after a good two pages, I thought that it wouldn't.

In that case, nobody except for me, is to blame for the closing of the Tavern. I personally liked the atmosphere around it, but things like that..discussing politics [in a nasty way], flames towards other mods, general swearing..it did help in the end.

A shame, as I said, but necessary. I completely understand the EB team's opinion on this matter and I respect it as well. I hope everyone does.

[Che Roriniho]

Miscommunication. Comments like that, whether jokingly or not, are bound to have severe consequences. Jokes are hard to really get over the internet, so this was indeed a problem. I had feared that the threat in the Tavern would close it again, but after a good two pages, I thought that it wouldn't.

In that case, nobody except for me, is to blame for the closing of the Tavern. I personally liked the atmosphere around it, but things like that..discussing politics [in a nasty way], flames towards other mods, general swearing..it did help in the end.

A shame, as I said, but necessary. I completely understand the EB team's opinion on this matter and I respect it as well. I hope everyone does.

It is not your fault, it is the fault of the complete idiots who insulted various people inside the Tav. I take full and unreserved responsiblity for that anti-israel post, but bear in mind, I do have family reasons to dislike the Zionists, and I was containing about 6 bottles of Dutch beer at the time, but that is still no excuse.
Peopple say things they regret in all paths of life. Live and let live.
And Senshi, by lurking, you've missed the point of the Tavern. it's like going to a real pub, sitting in a corner with a blanket over your head, then complaining no-one talks to you. It's something you have to partake in, not watch. At least, it was.

[Bellum]

I think you might have misread Mike's post. Mind you I had to read it a few times. But anyway, what he's saying is that you reap what you sow. If you charge headlong into our phalanx, there can be only one outcome.

No, I understood that message perfectly well, and he's absolutely right. For every action there are consequences. For instance, if a thread is created that seems to promote rude behavior, a mod might come and lock it for going against the forums interests.

I am not saying courtesy only counts towards myself, I am trying to show courtesy to you by not swearing like a madman but my point is how can you have a productive forum if all new people have absolutely no idea what the rules are. If you are gonna post, you need to read up on the FAQ at least before posting. Its like the EB forums have become a factory where all the new workers are breaking the machines and the higher management lets it all slide because they dont want a fight to break out among the workers or something. (where did i come up with this metaphor lol?)

It actually works quite well. In every forum I've ever been a member. It can be annoying, sure, but there will always be people who either don't know to read the rules or don't know where to find them. Being rude, name calling, general bad will and attitudes, it only multiplies the problem.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It actually works quite well. In every forum I've ever been a member. It can be annoying, sure, but there will always be people who either don't know to read the rules or don't know where to find them. Being rude, name calling, general bad will and attitudes, it only multiplies the problem.

So it seems to me, that your opinion on the best solution for this problem is to not do anything?

[Bellum]

The best solution is, as always, to be polite, and treat everyone like human beings as they deserve.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well I fail to see how I have a responsibility to be nice to everyone and point everyone new in the right direction towards the FAQ when the FAQ should be the first thing that catches your eye when you enter.
Maybe instead of having 19 stickies with the FAQ hidden in the middle of them we could limit to idk maybe 8 at the very most, because honestly, its pointless to have things like the old preview topic, when the EB is moving onto EB2 and releasing the faction previews for that. Same goes with the development art. Oh and the screenshot competitions as well because those are so popular i doubt those are gonna get pushed to page 4.

[Che Roriniho]

The best solution is, as always, to be polite, and treat everyone like human beings as they deserve.

That's kind of what the Tavern did. We only snapped when we were poked (see phalanx formation analogy).

Satalexton, that would be good, but it would just die a slow death, as no-one wuld know about it. I'm sorry to say, but our only option is the English one: Complain loudly, politely, but with more wit than any nomal man could ever muster.

And the general response to the closing of the Tav from the EB team, I have to say, is pretty poor. They're telling us to go somewhere we can't, accusing us of things we didn't, and effectively snubbing us.

[satalexton]

then i suggest we all just end this all ruckus...unless you want the team to postpone eb2 indefinatly.....not everybody is an augustus, but i'm certainly seeing a lot of tiberius-wannabes..

[Tellos Athenaios]

And the general response to the closing of the Tav from the EB team, I have to say, is pretty poor. They're telling us to go somewhere we can't, accusing us of things we didn't, and effectively snubbing us.

'We' never did anything yet I recall a thread being made once by someone outside the team who got pretty angry over how low the general code of conduct appeared to have sunk. And 'we' never had done a thing back then either. Yeah. Had 'we'?

It is likely true that some individuals who are generally likeable and polite fellows now find themselves without one of their favourite threads now all of a sudden. I think I know at least one such member. Yes, that isn't really fair to them; they don't cause 'any' of the grief.

But there are others that do. And the Tavern didn't exactly help them mending their ways.

[a completely inoffensive name]

'We' never did anything yet I recall a thread being made once by someone outside the team who got pretty angry over how low the general code of conduct appeared to have sunk. And 'we' never had done a thing back then either. Yeah. Had 'we'?

It is likely true that some individuals who are generally likeable and polite fellows now find themselves without one of their favourite threads now all of a sudden. I think I know at least one such member. Yes, that isn't really fair to them; they don't cause 'any' of the grief.

But there are others that do. And the Tavern didn't exactly help them mending their ways.

One person's opinion should not make an impact on everyone else. I guess I could have complained a month ago about how low the conduct was here because no one here is using "sir" or "mam" and the travern would have been shut down then huh?

[Che Roriniho]

It is likely true that some individuals who are generally likeable and polite fellows now find themselves without one of their favourite threads now all of a sudden. I think I know at least one such member. Yes, that isn't really fair to them; they don't cause 'any' of the grief.

But there are others that do. And the Tavern didn't exactly help them mending their ways.

Th grief from the Tavern was, the majority of the time, caused by newbies, who, as Mike said, didn't show common courtesy to the rest of the members. Again, see my Phalanx analogy. The Tav was a self-regulating place. Yes, standards were lower, but that certainly did not spill out into the wider forae.

[Moros]

There is still the frontroom, a better place for general off topic chat (The backroom is for politics and stuff). Perhaps you could use it as a place to continue your daily chatting. The forum is meant for it and has enough moderators (with more time) to keep everything in check. I've been a regular over there for 3 years, and I can tell you it's a fun community.
The tavern also has a gameroom, where different forumgames (Mainly Mafia) are played which can count for hours of fun. You learn to know more people and can chat about more different things. And it also being a TW subforum, people don't differ that much from here.

[Che Roriniho]

The whole reason most people, Hooahguy, and Appo, for example visited these forums was the the unnique atmosphere in the EB forum. These 2 have now gone, and with them, the soul of the Forum has gone.

Cheers Foot.

[a completely inoffensive name]

There is still the frontroom, a better place for general off topic chat (The backroom is for politics and stuff). Perhaps you could use it as a place to continue your daily chatting. The forum is meant for it and has enough moderators (with more time) to keep everything in check. I've been a regular over there for 3 years, and I can tell you it's a fun community.
The tavern also has a gameroom, where different forumgames (Mainly Mafia) are played which can count for hours of fun. You learn to know more people and can chat about more different things. And it also being a TW subforum, people don't differ that much from here.

But it is not the same. Period. Don't give me swiss when I asked cheddar and say "well its cheese, its practically the same!"

[Senshi]

Just wanted to express that I totally agree with the moderators' decision on locking the discussion down.

I loved the concept of tavern and though I'm a poor poster and more of a lurker in this forum, I liked reading it. That is, until at once the level of humour and discussion crashed to deep sea and got highly insulting and non-rational.

Serious discussions about serious Real Life matters in my opinion should never take place in public forums, it is almost inevitable that sooner or later the whole discussion turns into a mudpool.

As stated:

The Tavern shouldn't have been there to begin with. It was a mistake to allow it in the first place, it was a mistake to reopen it, and it was a mistake to leave it going as long as we did.

I totally second that!

In the forums I'm active in well-conduct and a great atmosphere is kept by a simple and effective rule:
"No politics, no religion!"
The strict enforcement of this includes deletion and closing every once in a time, but the majority agrees with the rule and most of the times even the "bad poster" agrees afterwards, as most of the times they don't intend creating a messy mudpool...

Hold up the level of behaviour EB-team though you might meet heavy opposition with some guys here, I'm pretty sure many others (who not necessarily are guys who post that often but prefer reading and learning) love the cultured and educated level of discussion in this forum (as I myself do).

[Megas Methuselah]

I see nothing when I click on it.

Yeah, me too. I couldn't make a new thread because I was denied access to it. So how are we to use the backroom?