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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus View Post
    Great keravnos, thanks a lot!

    You would make me incredibly happy if you could additionally tell me what a king's name would be who would be known as "Ironfist", or "Enforcer", or the "straight and unforgiving but always just ruler", something along the lines.
    Ok, I will try, but I need to clarify, this will NOT be 100% what the people at the time would say. It is a mistake to try to make 21st century monikers into -3rd century ones.

    Anyways, here goes...

    "Ironfist" = ΣΙΔΗΡΟΠΥΓMΟΣ transliterated into "Sideropygos" from "Sideros"=iron and "pygme"=fist (in the appropriate form of that word)... it literally means "Ironfisted". However I am not sure whether that can be used, or in fact existed at that time. -Double checked... Wasn't used.
    "Ο ΕΧΩΝ ΣΙΔΗΡΑΝ ΠΥΓΜΗΝ" οr "O echon sideran pygmen"=He who has an iron fist, may be used.
    ΠΥΓΜΑΙΟΣ, on the other hand, a form that was used, means pygmy.
    http://www.glosarium.com/term/18772,18,xhtml

    Iconography of coloured people of Sub Saharan Africa and Pygmies in ancient greek/Etruscan art is the following. Please take note that the date is 400-500 BCE and the artist was keen to show off the differences between the races. The pictures presented below shouldn't be considered as racist or condescending because quite frankly they are nothing of the sort. Just artstyles of that time.

    http://www.archive.gr/modules.php?na...rticle&sid=102

    "Enforcer", hmm that would be a tough one. Closest one I could think of would be "ΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ" "AYTOKRATOR" (meaning having all commands bestowed upon him, all commands coming from him) but must ALWAYS be used along with "strategos" as in "STRATEGOS AYTOKRATOR" as without it it would mean "Imperator" and it was used that way, only after Octavian Caesar took over.

    "ΣΤΡΑΤΗΓΟΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΚΟΙΝΗΝ ΦΥΛΑΚΗΝ" transliterated into "Strategos kata ten koinen phulaken" was the title of Pyrrhos when acting as a local garisson leader for Demetrios (prior to him being sent as a hostage to Ptolemaios I), meaning "General assigned to the common guard" or "General of all allied forces".

    "straight and unforgiving but always just ruler"
    Well, DIKAIOS or "just" comes to mind. The absolute extreme of that would be "DRAKONIOS" from DRAKON and his laws which were absolutely strict, when implememented in Ancient Athens. As such, all future laws which were strict would be called "Draconian".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracon
    Last edited by keravnos; 08-29-2008 at 19:33.


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