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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus View Post
    Great keravnos, thanks a lot!

    You would make me incredibly happy if you could additionally tell me what a king's name would be who would be known as "Ironfist", or "Enforcer", or the "straight and unforgiving but always just ruler", something along the lines.
    Ok, I will try, but I need to clarify, this will NOT be 100% what the people at the time would say. It is a mistake to try to make 21st century monikers into -3rd century ones.

    Anyways, here goes...

    "Ironfist" = ΣΙΔΗΡΟΠΥΓMΟΣ transliterated into "Sideropygos" from "Sideros"=iron and "pygme"=fist (in the appropriate form of that word)... it literally means "Ironfisted". However I am not sure whether that can be used, or in fact existed at that time. -Double checked... Wasn't used.
    "Ο ΕΧΩΝ ΣΙΔΗΡΑΝ ΠΥΓΜΗΝ" οr "O echon sideran pygmen"=He who has an iron fist, may be used.
    ΠΥΓΜΑΙΟΣ, on the other hand, a form that was used, means pygmy.
    http://www.glosarium.com/term/18772,18,xhtml

    Iconography of coloured people of Sub Saharan Africa and Pygmies in ancient greek/Etruscan art is the following. Please take note that the date is 400-500 BCE and the artist was keen to show off the differences between the races. The pictures presented below shouldn't be considered as racist or condescending because quite frankly they are nothing of the sort. Just artstyles of that time.

    http://www.archive.gr/modules.php?na...rticle&sid=102

    "Enforcer", hmm that would be a tough one. Closest one I could think of would be "ΑΥΤΟΚΡΑΤΩΡ" "AYTOKRATOR" (meaning having all commands bestowed upon him, all commands coming from him) but must ALWAYS be used along with "strategos" as in "STRATEGOS AYTOKRATOR" as without it it would mean "Imperator" and it was used that way, only after Octavian Caesar took over.

    "ΣΤΡΑΤΗΓΟΣ ΚΑΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΚΟΙΝΗΝ ΦΥΛΑΚΗΝ" transliterated into "Strategos kata ten koinen phulaken" was the title of Pyrrhos when acting as a local garisson leader for Demetrios (prior to him being sent as a hostage to Ptolemaios I), meaning "General assigned to the common guard" or "General of all allied forces".

    "straight and unforgiving but always just ruler"
    Well, DIKAIOS or "just" comes to mind. The absolute extreme of that would be "DRAKONIOS" from DRAKON and his laws which were absolutely strict, when implememented in Ancient Athens. As such, all future laws which were strict would be called "Draconian".
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracon
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    and I though Philadelphia was named after the cheese...<.<
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    I have a question regarding greek hehe how would they call their "shoes" or "sandals"...or whatever they wore?
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    Thank you very much keravnos for the very detailed information. I hope I'm not too much of a bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus View Post
    Thank you very much keravnos for the very detailed information. I hope I'm not too much of a bother.
    Centurio, absolutely no bother. History has been an affliction of mine ever since I remember myself. Bear in mind however that my free time is soon coming to an end and as such I probably won't be able to respond. Unfortunately RL is our lord and master.


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    Quote Originally Posted by keravnos View Post
    Iconography of African Americans and Pygmies in ancient greek/Etruscan art is the following.
    "African Americans"?!

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    PC claims another victim it seems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kongeslask View Post
    "African Americans"?!
    Black/ Negroid/ use whatever you want. I guess it looks a bit out of place. I just wanted to off anything that would remotely come across as racial prejudice, and I went to the exact opposite direction...

    -coloured- is great, thanks bovi.
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    The Norwegian current PC word is what amounts to "coloured", unless I'm already under the lavine. The word is ridiculous of course, we've all got colour and it doesn't make sense even if you would say that my own phenotype is colourless.

    It's usually more useful to use their name, or nationality, but in the rare occasions where it becomes necessary to refer to a person and I know neither I prefer to use Neger, the Norwegian equivalent of Negro. People tend to react to it though, because a bunch of other people have used it in a negative context. It's hard to stay abreast of the avalanche of expressions that start out PC and become inappropriate when they've been used in negative contexts enough times.

    It's the same with various words that we've iterated through that designates a homosexual or person with Down's syndrome. It's a stupid game that I see no reason to play.

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