The future of Russia and NATO

[Tribesman]

Nato membership requires:

A working democracy
Decent treatment of minorities
Legal harmonization
Somehow I don't see Russia complying with these in the foreseeable future.

Well thats where it ****s up isn't it ,can you aply that to either Georgia or Ukraine ?
Can you bollox .
Seriously Adrian , you have a situation where one region (or two)is calling for independance and for tjhat tobe legally recognised . what is offerd instead is automaqny with guarantees that the automany will be recognisd .
Now the latter would seem acceptable wouldn't it , relavively fair and all that bolox
So now I sk you what is georgias resord on rspcting coperfastened political deals on automony and can you see why other regionsain't gonna take georgias word on bugger allm?

[Adrian II]

Well thats where it ****s up isn't it ,can you aply that to either Georgia or Ukraine ?

No. I don't think Georgia should accede anyway under Saakashvili and/or any of his cronies. They are totally discredited and their country is in tatters.

Ukraine would have to settle its differences with Russia and its internal ethnic issues first.

The real problem for both countries however is that Russia will not let them settle their internal issues or any border problems because Russia doesnt want them to become Nato members.

That's a catch-21 situation. A country wants to be member of Nato in order to prevent Russian meddling in its affairs, but it can't because of Russian meddling in its affairs.

Meanwhile I think Nato should camp troops in Georgia in its own (Nato's) interest, primarily to prevent further Russian military encroachments. In the end this is about energy and power politics, and I like to win.

[JR-]

No. I don't think Georgia should accede anyway under Saakashvili and/or any of his cronies. They are totally discredited and their country is in tatters.

Ukraine would have to settle its differences with Russia and its internal ethnic issues first.

The real problem for both countries however is that Russia will not let them settle their internal issues or any border problems because Russia doesnt want them to become Nato members.

That's a catch-21 situation. A country wants to be member of Nato in order to prevent Russian meddling in its affairs, but it can't because of Russian meddling in its affairs.

Meanwhile I think Nato should camp troops in Georgia in its own (Nato's) interest, primarily to prevent further Russian military encroachments. In the end this is about energy and power politics, and I like to win.

agreed.

[Strike For The South]

No. I don't think Georgia should accede anyway under Saakashvili and/or any of his cronies. They are totally discredited and their country is in tatters.

Ukraine would have to settle its differences with Russia and its internal ethnic issues first.

The real problem for both countries however is that Russia will not let them settle their internal issues or any border problems because Russia doesnt want them to become Nato members.

That's a catch-21 situation. A country wants to be member of Nato in order to prevent Russian meddling in its affairs, but it can't because of Russian meddling in its affairs.

Meanwhile I think Nato should camp troops in Georgia in its own (Nato's) interest, primarily to prevent further Russian military encroachments. In the end this is about energy and power politics, and I like to win.

its catch 22

[Marshal Murat]

I don't know, it seems a chicken vs. egg problem to me.

[KarlXII]

I, for one, think a worldwide vodka embargo should be enacted. That'll teach them.

[Sarmatian]

Actually most of the vodkas you drink in the US are made in the US, especially cheap ones. Usually only expensive Vodka is Russian or European (Polish, Dutch, French, Finnish, Swedish)

[Adrian II]

its catch 22

That one is taken, so I called mine Catch-21.

[Abokasee]

Well thats where it ****s up isn't it ,can you aply that to either Georgia or Ukraine ?
Can you bollox .
Seriously Adrian , you have a situation where one region (or two)is calling for independance and for tjhat tobe legally recognised . what is offerd instead is automaqny with guarantees that the automany will be recognisd .
Now the latter would seem acceptable wouldn't it , relavively fair and all that bolox
So now I sk you what is georgias resord on rspcting coperfastened political deals on automony and can you see why other regionsain't gonna take georgias word on bugger allm?

Awww the charm of the irish drunk!