Body Guards

[Celtic_Punk]

using the KH there are 2 types of bodyguards, regular greek ones and spartan hoplites. its not race that decides this, so what is it? only the King and heir?

[Moros]

Only certain starting characters have the spartans. Don't they have spartian or something as ethincity? Anyway other generals will have the epilektoi (spelling?) IIRC.

[Havok.]

FM that are spartans receive Spartiatai Hoplitai
the non spartans receive the other type of bodyguard which i forgot how to spell.

[Lysimachos]

FM that are spartans receive Spartiatai Hoplitai
the non spartans receive the other type of bodyguard which i forgot how to spell.

It does, however, apply only to the start of the game, as all additional FMs will get the Somatophylakes Strategou, because the game only allows the customization of starting body guards.

[Maion Maroneios]

Exactly, as Lysimachos said, only starting FM who have the ''Spartiates'' trait will have Spartans as bodyguards. Their kids will have Epilektoi, sadly.

Maion

[Celtic_Punk]

is there anyway to change this so that all KH have spartan bodyguards? i dont want to looose them :(

[Maion Maroneios]

I guess so, as in EB 1.0 they all had Spartiatai as bodyguard IIRC.

Maion

[konny]

is there anyway to change this so that all KH have spartan bodyguards? i dont want to looose them :(

That can be quite an expensive hobby because you would have to pay for their upkeep.

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, I certainly had no problem back with version 1.0, so i don't see a reason why he or anyone else shouldn't.

Maion

[Foot]

You would need to change the model and dictionary name of the current KH bodyguards to that of the Spartatai unit. You might also need to change the stats if you wish, though the current ones for the KH bodyguard would be fine. All this in export_descr_units.txt

Foot

[Ezephkiel]

In my current KH campaign i have a general in messana who has a celtic lesser king bodyguard unit. I believe he was born over there but is still of greek origin and race, is it because he came to age close to celtic lands? His father was shipped over and is rhodian or maybe korinthion.

Ill try and get a screeny and see what race it says he is.

[Foot]

He is likely to be either a recruitable general or client ruler. As he is in messana it is likely that he is one of those as i believe recruitable or client generals there have that unit.

Foot

[fenix3279]

I haven't played as the KH yet but I was thinking of trying it out. However, I was wondering about the effectiveness of the KH bodyguards. Every other faction I've played has mounted FM so this is a new thing for me. My question was, because the KH FM are on foot, would that make them easier prey upon being flanked? Usually if that happens with my mounted FMs, I can just steamroll my general through enemy ground units and on toward safety but that seems impossible with these guys. Would you say the risk of losing a FM at any time is much higher when playing as the KH?

[Ezephkiel]

He is likely to be either a recruitable general or client ruler. As he is in messana it is likely that he is one of those as i believe recruitable or client generals there have that unit.

Foot

Indeed he was, alas i accidently harpooned him with one of my 4 span arrow projectors i've been pissing about with so he is no more.

As for the KH bodyguards, i think they are quite good, i've not lost many throughout my campaign (possibly only 1 or 2) and that was through accidents.

I usually deploy them on the right of my hoplite line in guard formation and they fight hard and get good experience as they regenerate themselves. I don't think they're much more vulnurable, just keep them formed up and facing the enemy. They are very good in sieges, much better than cavalry generals.

You just need to keep them together with other supporting units. Also KH get to train the merc generals who are good mounted heavy cavalry.

[fenix3279]

OK, based on what you have said, the KH bodyguards seem like they can easily hold their own in a fight and can actually protect my FMs so I won't have to worry about losing them everytime I fight an outnumbered battle. Thanx 4 the reply

[Celtic_Punk]

I caution you about placing your general on the left flank, I lost my King to a thunderous head-on charge from the macedonian general in at the point of impact. so if you want your left flank covered by a family member hold him back a bit in an echelon instead of part of the battle line.

[SwissBarbar]

KH Bodyguards are better because they have no disadvantage against spear-units. They have some of the best Infantery-Units by their side and can face a unit of mounted enemy bodyguards and stand their ground.

The obvious advantage (the shock-effect charge) of the mounted bodyguards the have of course not. But I've sent FM in almost every battle, some died, but not many. Most of them even could turn a difficult battle and save victory.

[Maion Maroneios]

In my oppinion, mounted FM's are better. Not only due to their good-quality bodyguards, but also because of their great charge (lance-wielding ones, that is) and speed. When an enemy army is led by a mounted general (KH), I know that I'm going to kill him. There is almost 100% chance he's going to get killed by your hand (providing you have some cavalry), though against the AI it's different. Even against the AI you have a greater chance to get killed than having a mounted general.

Surely foot bodyguards are good, especially against cavalry (KH) and most other infantry. But they lack mobility. You see, when your precious Spartiatai are being encircled by cavalry while pinned by some other infantry, you can't just turn and face the threat, as you'll end up with many unwanted casualties. You also can't make a quick run for it, in contrary with mounted generals. Then again, I guess it's a matter of taste and personal preference. My oppinion, I have made clear, anyway.

Maion

[Ezephkiel]

Thats true, but true for everything, thats more of a factor of battle than a fault on their part (although its true they are less mobile), anything can get surrounded and cut off (even though the AI isn't usually that bright)

As a unit though its pretty tough, i usually have quite high experience ones aswell because of the amount of line grinding they do. That said i still do prefer mounted generals also, i like the KH merc generals for this.

[Raiuga]

Come down from your horses you cowards and fight like real men

[Celtic_Punk]

Come down from your horses you cowards and fight like real men

herehere! aslong as your general is in the centre or right flank he should be safe. also, why run when you can stand and kill as many as possible? sure you might not win but in the spirit of Leonidas's heroic stand of defiance, stand, fight and take as many of them as you can to Hades!

as long as your not in the early game for the KH... you cant spare a single man at that stage of the game.

[Maion Maroneios]

That's true, as I believe the KH general's bodyguards are very effective in the beggining. They where for me, as I mostly assaulted coastal cities as quick as I could, thus needing any phalanx unit (best at fighting in narrow areas) I could muster, without substaining any great casualties. Later, of course, I find my armies a bit underpowered, especially when I see the AS wielding Klerouchoi, Argyraspides and some very good eastern cavalry, while I still use Hippakontistai, Hoplitai and Iphikratides

Maion