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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    Alright SwedishFish, I'll write something up for you.

    There is no doubt in my mind there are plenty of good Muslim people, and in fact I'm sure there are great Indian muslims too, in which we learn plenty from. More to come...
    So - ultimately - you are contradicting yourself, and have no real point to bring up? It's easy to see groups and orientations as one, but one is allowed to go in depth and drop the useless generalisations.
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    If people consider theirselves to be something, they are. I expect little love from the moderate muslim if they are forced to make a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexanderofmacedon View Post
    Alright SwedishFish, I'll write something up for you.

    There is no doubt in my mind there are plenty of good Muslim people, and in fact I'm sure there are great Indian muslims too, in which we learn plenty from. More to come...
    One step at a time.....

    And to Fragony- what of the average Muslim? Truly he is not a terrorist? Does he not have a family, a wife, kids? The very hint that you, and most of your right winged friends, believe Islam is a terrorist religion and so are it's followers is sickening.

    Problem is lefties can't think their brain is too occupied with knowing.
    Funny, problem with righties is that they can't think with their brain at all. "Muslims not all terrorists? No, no, no, lalalalalalalalala. That's commie propoganda from your gay Muslim friends Habib bin Ladin!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
    Funny, problem with righties is that they can't think with their brain at all. "Muslims not all terrorists? No, no, no, lalalalalalalalala. That's commie propoganda from your gay Muslim friends Habib bin Ladin!"

    I would be grateful if you would read post number 149 very carefully. This is the last time I will give advice nicely.

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    Swedishfish mia muca, glory is you.

    Makes you wonder who bought all that fireworks, I mean NY, Madrid, London, and with who's money, aren't there easier ways to entertain us simple creatures, BOOH would do. Even funnier, you just seem unable to comprehend that I am not saying that all muslims are terrorists because I say some are, but sorry if that is a little bit hard. Makes it all the more rediculous, pavlov doggiestyle woofwoof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Swedishfish mia muca, glory is you.

    Makes you wonder who bought all that fireworks, I mean NY, Madrid, London, and with who's money, aren't there easier ways to entertain us simple creatures, BOOH would do. Even funnier, you just seem unable to comprehend that I am not saying that all muslims are terrorists because I say some are, but sorry if that is a little bit hard. Makes it all the more rediculous, pavlov doggiestyle woofwoof!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwedishFish View Post
    Yeah you're always one to stand up for the little guy
    It isn't always necesary to stand up to be above someone. Sitting quite comfortably right now.

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    Even funnier, you just seem unable to comprehend that I am not saying that all muslims are terrorists because I say some are, but sorry if that is a little bit hard.

    Fragony ?????
    Is that Fragony the one trick pony ...its the muslims ...its the muslims ....its the muslims...its the muslims...its the muslims......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post

    Fragony ?????
    Is that Fragony the one trick pony ...its the muslims ...its the muslims ....its the muslims...its the muslims...its the muslims......
    Curse you Tribes, how many times do I need to explain that I don't have a problem with the muslims (sorry, howling to the moon doesn't get you bonus points from me, it's silly it never howls back) but with the people looking for a pet, building a shelter for them in my backyard where they can train pitbulls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexofMacedon
    Islam - sweeping India, converting or killing it's people for the past century
    Indeed.

    I do not see how militant Islam on the Indian subcontinent can not be described as ridden with forced conversion, violence against non-Muslims, and a deliberate, sponsorsed demographic push for dominance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    Indeed.

    I do not see how militant Islam on the Indian subcontinent can not be described as ridden with forced conversion, violence against non-Muslims, and a deliberate, sponsorsed demographic push for dominance.


    For my leftist friends: non-whites are normal people, quite capable of performing genocides and atrocities.
    There's not as much a denial as a request for relevance.
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    You have to give that common sense in smaller doses Louis, it is very hard when everything you ever believed in isn't the absolute and only truth, it can lead to severe overloading of brain functions causing terminal moral outrage. Here is a little leftie-sensitivity training, like this; 'there is a slight possibility however small that non-whites [enter fact]'. After that you can start with entertaining the thought that the cultural revolution wasn't the best thing that ever happened to China, etc etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    You have to give that common sense in smaller doses Louis, it is very hard when everything you ever believed in isn't the absolute and only truth, it can lead to severe overloading of brain functions causing terminal moral outrage. Here is a little leftie-sensitivity training, like this; 'there is a slight possibility however small that non-whites [enter fact]'. After that you can start with entertaining the thought that the cultural revolution wasn't the best thing that ever happened to China, etc etc.
    In the mean time, someone is still asking for relevance. Why do you want to make a general statement about a religion? Can you make one regarding Christianity? Does Jesus' words of turning the other cheek, the crusades, protestantism, catholicism and all forms of modern Christianity all fit in one tiny box?


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    In the mean time, someone is still asking for relevance.
    The relevance of it is the reaction itselve of asking for it's relevance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    'there is a slight possibility however small that non-whites [enter fact]'.
    Hmmmm.... Excuse me, but I thought collectivism was a leftie trait, and individualism was a rightie trait? But here Fragony is a big fan of collectivism, while I'm a big fan of individualism....

    Something isn't right.
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    Hmmmm.... Excuse me, but I thought collectivism was a leftie trait, and individualism was a rightie trait? But here Fragony is a big fan of collectivism, while I'm a big fan of individualism....

    Something isn't right.
    Well as I said it was leftie sensitity training, this is day one 'there is no absolute truth', sit down and enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    The relevance of it is the reaction itselve of asking for it's relevance.
    In other words, it doesn't have relevance. Look to what kind of topic we have: it's not a topic created to praise Islam; it's a topic to get some general insight on this religion (which I believe is futile). Throwing in some random information here and there is not relevant.

    Much violence done, still done, in the name of Islam - no doubt. What's the usefulness of this information, though? In the end, it's the interpretation that matters. Look to the past - I'll say no more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    In other words, it doesn't have relevance. Look to what kind of topic we have: it's not a topic created to praise Islam; it's a topic to get some general insight on this religion (which I believe is futile). Throwing in some random information here and there is not relevant.

    Much violence done, still done, in the name of Islam - no doubt. What's the usefulness of this information, though? In the end, it's the interpretation that matters. Look to the past - I'll say no more.
    Nah, not praising but as always the need to excuse it, nothing to do with islam this that. It does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Nah, not praising but as always the need to excuse it, nothing to do with islam this that. It does.
    No excuses. Look to Alex's post and try to comprehend it. He appeared to conclude that Islam was a nasty religion because of a single campaign done by some of its followers. That's, simply put, a far out conlcusion.
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    No excuses. Look to Alex's post and try to comprehend it. He appeared to conclude that Islam was a nasty religion because of a single campaign done by some of its followers. That's, simply put, a far out conlcusion.
    Well I'd call that one heck of an assumtion, what makes you thing that? Let's start there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony View Post
    Well as I said it was leftie sensitity training, this is day one 'there is no absolute truth', sit down and enjoy.
    Sorry Frags, branding people because of where they were born isn't something I'm willing to do. I refuse collectivism, I will treat people as individuals instead.

    But hey, if you enjoy Stalinism, that's you choice of course
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    Well I'd call that one heck of an assumtion, what makes you thing that? Let's start there.
    Let's see: why else was it mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    Let's see: why else was it mentioned?
    The exact same assumption. We aren't getting anywhere like this, it's just the same reflex.

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    There's not as much a denial as a request for relevance.
    I know. I think you are spot on in that, and it account for a lot of miscommunication.

    But then, the request for relevance is mutual. The precise specifics of Islamist politics in the Indian subcontinent are perhaps not directly relevant to a general thread about Islam. But neither are four pages of anti-racist conditioned reflexes that follow any comment that could be deemed critical of non-westerners. I, in turn, question the relevance of that.

    Hey, in another year, another forum, maybe my irritation would be over rightwing nonsense. Always five threads about Muslims on page one. Usually, one of them sensationalist nonsense, only half-based on facts. Three, simply sensationalist nonsense outright. And only one of some import.

    But as it is, my irritation is over leftwing nonsense.
    Anti-racism, warning for unnecessary generalisations - they are laudable causes. Nothing but praise for it from me. But they can be overused. It can stifle debate. And it can become such a conditioned reflex that simple truths remain either unseen, or are buried underneath a swath of aggressive derision, or, even worse, are deemed taboo.
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    I will have to work hard to ever say it that good, Luigi I salute you that is just about where I sit.

    (edit, maybe that is wishful thinking that is where I want to sit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    But as it is, my irritation is over leftwing nonsense.
    Anti-racism, warning for unnecessary generalisations - they are laudable causes. Nothing but praise for it from me. But they can be overused. It can stifle debate. And it can become such a conditioned reflex that simple truths remain either unseen, or are buried underneath a swath of aggressive derision, or, even worse, are deemed taboo.
    Agreed, its getting ridiculous in some threads here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    I know. I think you are spot on in that, and it account for a lot of miscommunication.

    But then, the request for relevance is mutual. The precise specifics of Islamist politics in the Indian subcontinent are perhaps not directly relevant to a general thread about Islam. But neither are four pages of anti-racist conditioned reflexes that follow any comment that could be deemed critical of non-westerners. I, in turn, question the relevance of that.

    Hey, in another year, another forum, maybe my irritation would be over rightwing nonsense. Always five threads about Muslims on page one. Usually, one of them sensationalist nonsense, only half-based on facts. Three, simply sensationalist nonsense outright. And only one of some import.

    But as it is, my irritation is over leftwing nonsense.
    Anti-racism, warning for unnecessary generalisations - they are laudable causes. Nothing but praise for it from me. But they can be overused. It can stifle debate. And it can become such a conditioned reflex that simple truths remain either unseen, or are buried underneath a swath of aggressive derision, or, even worse, are deemed taboo.
    That's, unsurprisingly, not the way I see it. I don't like to be this short; but my head is a vacuum
    today.
    Basically, it appears that the treshold of throwing out some bad stuff from religion x, and thus prove how evil it is, is lower for Islam than other religions. Can you imagine someone on a Christianity thread put up a post that goes like this: "Christianity, hunting down Jews; a war of religion embarking on massive crusades"? It's called selective picking of facts and does not seek to see a greater picture.

    There could be an element of over protectism when it comes to Islam, as it is a relatively sensitive topic, however I fail to see too much of it.

    And where were you when I, on this forum, was called an anti-islamist by Christians?
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    And where were you when I, on this forum, was called an anti-islamist by Christians?
    You voted Høyre, didn't you?

    Bloody right-winger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoreTore View Post
    You voted Høyre, didn't you?

    Bloody right-winger.
    Heh, didn't know that I had mentioned which party I considered voting for; but maybe I did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking View Post
    It's called selective picking of facts and does not seek to see a greater picture.
    Sorry but you want to pick facts to, well, see a bigger picture it's...

    Not selective at all of course

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