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If people consider theirselves to be something, they are. I expect little love from the moderate muslim if they are forced to make a choice.
One step at a time.....
And to Fragony- what of the average Muslim? Truly he is not a terrorist? Does he not have a family, a wife, kids? The very hint that you, and most of your right winged friends, believe Islam is a terrorist religion and so are it's followers is sickening.
Funny, problem with righties is that they can't think with their brain at all. "Muslims not all terrorists? No, no, no, lalalalalalalalala. That's commie propoganda from your gay Muslim friends Habib bin Ladin!"Problem is lefties can't think their brain is too occupied with knowing.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
I would be grateful if you would read post number 149 very carefully. This is the last time I will give advice nicely.
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"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
Swedishfish mia muca, glory is you.
Makes you wonder who bought all that fireworks, I mean NY, Madrid, London, and with who's money, aren't there easier ways to entertain us simple creatures, BOOH would do. Even funnier, you just seem unable to comprehend that I am not saying that all muslims are terrorists because I say some are, but sorry if that is a little bit hard. Makes it all the more rediculous, pavlov doggiestyle woofwoof!
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It isn't always necesary to stand up to be above someone. Sitting quite comfortably right now.
ps, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYqF_BtIwAU
Even funnier, you just seem unable to comprehend that I am not saying that all muslims are terrorists because I say some are, but sorry if that is a little bit hard.
Fragony ?????
Is that Fragony the one trick pony ...its the muslims ...its the muslims ....its the muslims...its the muslims...its the muslims......
Curse you Tribes, how many times do I need to explain that I don't have a problem with the muslims (sorry, howling to the moon doesn't get you bonus points from me, it's silly it never howls back) but with the people looking for a pet, building a shelter for them in my backyard where they can train pitbulls.
Indeed.Originally Posted by AlexofMacedon
I do not see how militant Islam on the Indian subcontinent can not be described as ridden with forced conversion, violence against non-Muslims, and a deliberate, sponsorsed demographic push for dominance.
For my leftist friends: non-whites are normal people, quite capable of performing genocides and atrocities.![]()
You have to give that common sense in smaller doses Louis, it is very hard when everything you ever believed in isn't the absolute and only truth, it can lead to severe overloading of brain functions causing terminal moral outrage. Here is a little leftie-sensitivity training, like this; 'there is a slight possibility however small that non-whites [enter fact]'. After that you can start with entertaining the thought that the cultural revolution wasn't the best thing that ever happened to China, etc etc.
In the mean time, someone is still asking for relevance. Why do you want to make a general statement about a religion? Can you make one regarding Christianity? Does Jesus' words of turning the other cheek, the crusades, protestantism, catholicism and all forms of modern Christianity all fit in one tiny box?
BTW, thanks for calling me a leftie; I am no fan of socialism.![]()
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
In other words, it doesn't have relevance. Look to what kind of topic we have: it's not a topic created to praise Islam; it's a topic to get some general insight on this religion (which I believe is futile). Throwing in some random information here and there is not relevant.
Much violence done, still done, in the name of Islam - no doubt. What's the usefulness of this information, though? In the end, it's the interpretation that matters. Look to the past - I'll say no more.
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Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
I know. I think you are spot on in that, and it account for a lot of miscommunication.
But then, the request for relevance is mutual. The precise specifics of Islamist politics in the Indian subcontinent are perhaps not directly relevant to a general thread about Islam. But neither are four pages of anti-racist conditioned reflexes that follow any comment that could be deemed critical of non-westerners. I, in turn, question the relevance of that.
Hey, in another year, another forum, maybe my irritation would be over rightwing nonsense. Always five threads about Muslims on page one. Usually, one of them sensationalist nonsense, only half-based on facts. Three, simply sensationalist nonsense outright. And only one of some import.
But as it is, my irritation is over leftwing nonsense.
Anti-racism, warning for unnecessary generalisations - they are laudable causes. Nothing but praise for it from me. But they can be overused. It can stifle debate. And it can become such a conditioned reflex that simple truths remain either unseen, or are buried underneath a swath of aggressive derision, or, even worse, are deemed taboo.
I will have to work hard to ever say it that good, Luigi I salute you that is just about where I sit.
(edit, maybe that is wishful thinking that is where I want to sit)
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That's, unsurprisingly, not the way I see it. I don't like to be this short; but my head is a vacuum
today.
Basically, it appears that the treshold of throwing out some bad stuff from religion x, and thus prove how evil it is, is lower for Islam than other religions. Can you imagine someone on a Christianity thread put up a post that goes like this: "Christianity, hunting down Jews; a war of religion embarking on massive crusades"? It's called selective picking of facts and does not seek to see a greater picture.
There could be an element of over protectism when it comes to Islam, as it is a relatively sensitive topic, however I fail to see too much of it.
And where were you when I, on this forum, was called an anti-islamist by Christians?![]()
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