Do you mean that hump that is fundamentalism which a relatively recent thing ?whatever. islam needs to get over that hump that brooks no dissent, justifies death for dissenters.
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Do you mean that hump that is fundamentalism which a relatively recent thing ?whatever. islam needs to get over that hump that brooks no dissent, justifies death for dissenters.
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i mean any islamic society where criminal/civil laws exist, or religious canon enforced by church institutions demand, that apostasy be punished by death, where questioning the koran can mean death, where displaying an image of the big Mo' can mean death.
a society that is openly allowed to question and interpret without censure or penalty from Gov't or parallel institutions is going to be a much healthier society. europe bled by the millions to reach this happy point, i hope it is less costly for the middle east.
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Wahabism isn't that modern. Going on for c. 200 years. Saudi Arabia is incredibly intolerant (giving someone a bible is a serious offence for example), but as they in general only oppress those within their country, buy our weapons and sell us oil we can be happy about it, or at least not bother about it.
In many ways CHristianity was lucky: the true nut-jobs either killed each other or went to America, and those that wanted to convert the world had a further 3 continents to terrorise. Now all the "weaker" religions have been mainly stamped out there's less csope for Islam to have the same outlet without causing severe friction.
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Did you miss the important word there Rory ?Wahabism isn't that modern. Going on for c. 200 years.
Like as in Mormonism is a relatively recent take on Christianity .
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If you consider that Muslims for the first few hundred years waged near constant wars in the middle east, over northern africa and into the Indian subcontinent they've never been backward about conquering the Infidel. The face of the Jihad might have changed, but it's following a well trodden road.
Speaking of people that should die under Islam, Here's another discussion group that few other religions get up to.
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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
If you consider that Muslims for the first few hundred years waged near constant wars in the middle east, over northern africa and into the Indian subcontinent they've never been backward about conquering the Infidel. The face of the Jihad might have changed, but it's following a well trodden road.
Speaking of people that should die under Islam, Here's another discussion group that few other religions get up to.
See thats where my biggest beef is with islam. It was spread by WAR. Christianity was spread by jesus n' pals walking around just talking to people.
(i'm comparing the way the two religions were spread while their respective founders were alive. Otherwise, the above statement would be false, due to the actions of the conquistadors)
I believe i read a verse in the Quran, and again, correct me if i'm wrong, where someone refused to convert to islam, until a scimitar was put to his throat, whereupon he suddenly had a spiritual awakening and accepted the word of muhammad.
it could have been from tha hadith or sira, not sure.
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I'm curious about where you guys get this info about Muslims cutting off throats of non-believers. Well at least not in prophet Muhammad's time, his influence was too strong for that to happen in his lifetime.
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the guy's throat didnt get cut. the point is that he converted under duress. he was converted by FORCE.
anyone who didnt want to accept Jesus' message was able to make that choice for themself, and walk away.
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Did Jesus have the power to raise an army? If so, why didn't he?
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he didnt but i really doubt he would have because his message was to love everyone, even your enemies, so raising an army would have been against his entire message.
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I think that Jesus did have that power, but Jesus chose not to, because the message of Jesus was one of tolerance and peace.
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No Rory, unfortunately they do not just stick to oppressing the people of their own country.
Saudi Arabia has been systematically introducing their intolerant interpretation of Salafism™ throughout the Muslim world for decades. It is religious colonialism. From Indonesia to Central Asia, Europe and the Americas, you can find Saudi-funded Salafi™ agents. Especially Central Asia, where Islam was murderously suppressed by Communism, has been “blessed” with plenty of new Saudi-funded schools and programs.
Heck, I bet Saudi dollars funded the education of those pompous “preachers” at Regent’s Park Mosque.
Not “bothering about it” has given them free reign.
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