The Islam Thread...

[AlexanderSextus]

Is it one of those that is widely blocked for being a hate site by any chance Just like a whole pile of those on its links section are widely blocked as hate sites .


Yeah and North Korea is a peoples paradise and democratic country because they say so

Let me repost it one more time.

"Thousands of people are losing their lives, and tens of thousands more are suffering various and egregious physical injuries because the Qur'an says that non-Muslims are hated by Allah and that violence is sanctioned whenever there is resistance to Islamic dominance. Exposing this teaching and documenting its terrible effects does not make us a hate site.

We are very explicit in stating that it is wrong to stereotype or pre-judge Muslim individuals, much less to harass or harm them. But, we also do not believe that the delicate and petulant sensibilities of members of the Religion of Peace have precedence over the awful violence committed in its name each and every day."


The site even states that it is STRONGLY AGAINST hate towards muslims.

One of the parts of their FAQ is as follows:

What opinions should I form about my Muslim neighbor,
co-worker or friend from your site?

Absolutely none.

Judge a person only by his or her own words and deeds - and nothing else.

(Actually, this isn't a question that we've ever been asked, but we did want to reinforce the point that every Muslim is an individual and shouldn't be thought differently of merely because of their religion).

[AlexanderSextus]

oh, and fahad, the violent parts are these verses...look them up in your home copy, maybe you can tell me if i'm taking them out of context.

Sura (2:191-193)

Sura (8:15)

Sura (9:29)

Sura (9:30)

Sura (25:52) apparently, when this verse says "Strive against" it is talking about Jihad, and not the spiritual one either.

Hadiths:

Bukhari (52:177)

Muslim (1:33)

Muslim (20:4645)

Tabari 7:97

[Paradox]

oh, and fahad, the violent parts are these verses...look them up in your home copy, maybe you can tell me if i'm taking them out of context.

Sura (2:191-193)

Sura (8:15)

Sura (9:29)

Sura (9:30)

Sura (25:52) apparently, when this verse says "Strive against" it is talking about Jihad, and not the spiritual one either.

1. These verses basically say: Fight back. Nothing wrong with it, the message here is to not leave the religion of Islam vulnerable to those who are against it.

2. Irrelevant, it talks about respect in the mosque.

3. (9:18) I can see how this part can be taken out of context. A long time ago, Muslims were often killed by non-believers, strangely, they sometimes got away with it if they pay a tax. When they don't, that's where the violence starts. It also says that those who do not believe in god are enemies of god, did you not already know this?

4. I'm having a hard time translating this one, there are some big words used in the Qur'an that we don't use today, like latin. I'll ask someone to translate it later. It probably refers to the Arab Polytheists who were against Islam.

[KarlXII]

Religion has been exploited to justify acts of violence or prejudice for years.

More recently, Kahanism is an ideology (If I recall correctly) that promotes violence against the Arab population and the taking away of Non-Jewish people's right to vote and uses Judaism for their justification.

Identity Christianity is a violent Christain orginization that finds it's justification from the Bible.

And, of course, we have Al-Queda, Hamas, etc. all Islamic terrorists groups finding their justification through the Quran.

I believe Islam is another religion that has been perverted into a casus belli of violence.

[AlexanderSextus]

that site and many on its links page use quotes and translations from a very eminent scholar of Islam . It really makes their sites seem well established in fact and thoroughly researched .
Yet they never quote what his actual conclusions are , only the bits that they can take and use to push their message .

ahhh okay, i guess thats what mislead me to think they were actually legitimate.

Whew!!! Thanx for not letting them brainwash me guys.

....many times its quite comical when someone still tries to cite them as a source of information.

If this was the EB board, i'd be posting stuff from wikipedia about Lorica Segmentata!!!

[KarlXII]

ahhh okay, i guess thats what mislead me to think they were actually legitimate.

Whew!!! Thanx for not letting them brainwash me guys.

I will hold my comment for now.

[AlexanderSextus]

I will hold my comment for now.

okay, i admit it, i thought they were a legitimate site and i posted stuff that was severely taken out of context.


Apparently, the extremist muslims are only 7% of the entire muslim population.

Thats still a lot of people, but, the vast majority of muslims are harmless. I know this.

I was making an attempt to scrutinize some things out of the Quran, and i ended up picking a source that was very biased against it while trying to act like it was impartial.

can you guys please just realize that i was misguided and i have nothing against muslims, because like i said, some of my Best, and i mean it when i say best, friends are muslim.


Really though. My bad. really. i feel bad now.

[Papewaio]

:grouphug:

[seireikhaan]

Did... did that just happen? No way.... I must be imagining things... can someone else verify this? Did someone in the backroom actually admit to being wrong or out of line? Did someone actually shift a position through argumentation?

[HoreTore]

Yes, AlexanderSextus, it's not a hate site because they say so, just like North Korea is democratic because they say so.



In the real world however, North Korea is a brutal tyranny, and that site is a perfect example of hate. Anyway, Tribesey can explain it to you a lot better(and funnier) than I care to do