The Islam Thread...

**AlexanderSextus** · 09-01-2008, 22:38

oh, and fahad, the violent parts are these verses...look them up in your home copy, maybe you can tell me if i'm taking them out of context.

Sura (2:191-193)

Sura (8:15)

Sura (9:29)

Sura (9:30)

Sura (25:52) apparently, when this verse says "Strive against" it is talking about Jihad, and not the spiritual one either.

Hadiths:

Bukhari (52:177)

Muslim (1:33)

Muslim (20:4645)

Tabari 7:97

**Paradox** · 09-02-2008, 00:47

Originally Posted by AlexanderSextus

oh, and fahad, the violent parts are these verses...look them up in your home copy, maybe you can tell me if i'm taking them out of context.

Sura (2:191-193)

Sura (8:15)

Sura (9:29)

Sura (9:30)

Sura (25:52) apparently, when this verse says "Strive against" it is talking about Jihad, and not the spiritual one either.

1. These verses basically say: Fight back. Nothing wrong with it, the message here is to not leave the religion of Islam vulnerable to those who are against it.

2. Irrelevant, it talks about respect in the mosque.

3. (9:18) I can see how this part can be taken out of context. A long time ago, Muslims were often killed by non-believers, strangely, they sometimes got away with it if they pay a tax. When they don't, that's where the violence starts. It also says that those who do not believe in god are enemies of god, did you not already know this?

4. I'm having a hard time translating this one, there are some big words used in the Qur'an that we don't use today, like latin. I'll ask someone to translate it later. It probably refers to the Arab Polytheists who were against Islam.

**KarlXII** · 09-02-2008, 01:12

Religion has been exploited to justify acts of violence or prejudice for years.

More recently, Kahanism is an ideology (If I recall correctly) that promotes violence against the Arab population and the taking away of Non-Jewish people's right to vote and uses Judaism for their justification.

Identity Christianity is a violent Christain orginization that finds it's justification from the Bible.

And, of course, we have Al-Queda, Hamas, etc. all Islamic terrorists groups finding their justification through the Quran.

I believe Islam is another religion that has been perverted into a casus belli of violence.

**AlexanderSextus** · 09-02-2008, 04:39

Originally Posted by Tribesman

that site and many on its links page use quotes and translations from a very eminent scholar of Islam . It really makes their sites seem well established in fact and thoroughly researched .
Yet they never quote what his actual conclusions are , only the bits that they can take and use to push their message .

ahhh okay, i guess thats what mislead me to think they were actually legitimate.

Whew!!! Thanx for not letting them brainwash me guys.

....many times its quite comical when someone still tries to cite them as a source of information.

If this was the EB board, i'd be posting stuff from wikipedia about Lorica Segmentata!!!

**KarlXII** · 09-02-2008, 04:40

Originally Posted by AlexanderSextus

ahhh okay, i guess thats what mislead me to think they were actually legitimate.

Whew!!! Thanx for not letting them brainwash me guys.

I will hold my comment for now.

**AlexanderSextus** · 09-02-2008, 04:52

Originally Posted by SwedishFish

I will hold my comment for now.

okay, i admit it, i thought they were a legitimate site and i posted stuff that was severely taken out of context.

Apparently, the extremist muslims are only 7% of the entire muslim population.

Thats still a lot of people, but, the vast majority of muslims are harmless. I know this.

I was making an attempt to scrutinize some things out of the Quran, and i ended up picking a source that was very biased against it while trying to act like it was impartial.

can you guys please just realize that i was misguided and i have nothing against muslims, because like i said, some of my Best, and i mean it when i say best, friends are muslim.

Really though. My bad. really. i feel bad now.

**Papewaio** · 09-02-2008, 05:40

:grouphug:

**seireikhaan** · 09-02-2008, 05:43

Did... did that just happen? No way.... I must be imagining things... can someone else verify this? Did someone in the backroom actually admit to being wrong or out of line? Did someone actually shift a position through argumentation?

**AlexanderSextus** · 09-02-2008, 06:30

i dont know if i necessarily shifted my position per se...i still think that some stuff in the qur'an is violent and it is the reason for a lot of terrorism going on today, but yeah, i was definately wrong, and yeah, probably out of line too.

**AlexanderSextus** · 09-02-2008, 06:32

Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Did... did that just happen? No way.... I must be imagining things... can someone else verify this? Did someone in the backroom actually admit to being wrong or out of line? Did someone actually shift a position through argumentation?

yeah i really dont have trouble with being a man and admitting when i'm wrong. Its kinda an admirable quality, or so i hear.

**CountArach** · 09-03-2008, 11:42

Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Did... did that just happen? No way.... I must be imagining things... can someone else verify this? Did someone in the backroom actually admit to being wrong or out of line? Did someone actually shift a position through argumentation?

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