Playable factions

[Megas Methuselah]

Portugal is like an important nation in the colonial period, isn't it? I doubt CA would go so far as to exclude it... Unless by the time of the game's starting period it was already past its prime?

[SwordsMaster]

It'll be Spain, Russia and France for me, probably followed at a later stage with Prussia and the Ottomans. You see, replaying history is not exactly fun. While fixing historical mistakes is something I do enjoy. So perhaps if Spain and France had won the war of 1700, Europe's landscape would have been forever changed. You never know. Or if Sweden knew when to stop in the northern war. Etc. Ad infinitum. Too many things to play, too little time

[anders]

prussia first for a united germany. then russia. as a scandinavian(norwegian) i`ll of course have to try sweden. also poland has always been one of my faves in medieval/m2, and has to be tried out pretty early.

as a norwegian, I would of course have loved to play as denmark/norway and bring down the mighty blockading british men of war with guerilla gunboats along the coastline.

[Jolt]

Portugal is like an important nation in the colonial period, isn't it? I doubt CA would go so far as to exclude it... Unless by the time of the game's starting period it was already past its prime?

It was during this time that Portugal expanded greatly inland on Brazil (Surpassing the Treaty of Tordesillas line), eventually leading to the discovery of large gold mines (Gold production peeks at 1750, relatively halfway to the date which the game covers), which flooded Portugal with wealth (Though badly used, but that's for the player to change.) Furthermore, Portugal still gaining Spanish Upper La Plata colony, using the Treaty of Tordesillas as an argument. This besides also having colonies in Africa (Which only British and the Dutch also had), and colonies in India (Which only all colonial powers had except the Spanish.)

[PBI]

This is the problem I see with Portugal, weren't most of their colonies in places that won't be on the Empire map (South America, Africa, South East Asia)? I suspect India is going to become something of a microcosm for all the colonialism that went on outside of North America.

Speaking of which, what on Earth are the poor old Spanish and Dutch going to be left with?

[rajpoot]

I admit that I don't know much about Dutch colonies, but I remember reading Washington Irving's stories, and that always made it sound like the Dutch had settlements around the Hudson river.......Ichabod Crane anyone?

[Martok]

PBI: A good point about the Portuguese colonies. If South America isn't on the map, then we won't get Brazil.

What's not clear, however, is whether South America is or is not included in the game map. I've yet to CA confirm this either way.

I admit that I don't know much about Dutch colonies, but I remember reading Washington Irving's stories, and that always made it sound like the Dutch had settlements around the Hudson river.......Ichabod Crane anyone?

The Dutch did indeed have a colony here, originally called New Amsterdam. Today, it's slightly better known as New York City (was eventually ceded to the English).

[lars573]

I admit that I don't know much about Dutch colonies, but I remember reading Washington Irving's stories, and that always made it sound like the Dutch had settlements around the Hudson river.......Ichabod Crane anyone?

They controled parts of Ceylon (Sri Lanka) in 1700 (look at the campagin map shots and you'll see that). And New York was a Dutch colony in the 17th century. After the Anglo Dutch war in the 1670's (I think) the English got New Amsterdam (New York) and one of the Dutch cities in India (IIRC). The Dutch got Aruba, and the British territory in what is now Indonesia.

Now as for the Portuguese they will have territory on the map outside Europe. You see the first Europeans to set up trading factories in India were Portuguese and Dutch. The Portuguese first arrived at Goa in 1498 in the person of Vasco De Gama. Whether CA makes a Goa province under Portguese rule is another story. Goa is one of the few territories Portugal keeps after the Napoleonic wars (they held onto their African ones, Timor, and Macau). They only lost it in 1961 after India sent in 40000 troops.

Map time!

[Gustav II Adolf]

Austria
Dutch
England/Britain
France
Ottoman Empire
Poland-Lithuania
Portugal
Prussia
Russia
Spain
Sweden
United States*


Well, I'm quite afraid which countries will be left out. There is supposed to be several playable factions outside Europe but i think this list is superb. Which of these won't make it?

I would play Sweden first then Prussia or the Dutch.





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[Martok]

Austria
Dutch
England/Britain
France
Ottoman Empire
Poland-Lithuania
Portugal
Prussia
Russia
Spain
Sweden
United States*


Well, I'm quite afraid which countries will be left out. There is supposed to be several playable factions outside Europe but i think this list is superb. Which of these won't make it?

Yeah, now that I think about it, I believe I remember CA saying that the Mugals would in fact be playable. So india will be happy.

However, you're right in that it does then beg the question of which one of the factions above will be cut from the "playable" list? I wish it would be the U.S., but of course we already know that's not going to happen.

[Jolt]

[QUOTE=lars573;2002124]Goa is one of the few territories Portugal keeps after the Napoleonic wars (they held onto their African ones, Timor, and Macau). They only lost it in 1961 after India sent in 40000 troops.

Eh?

Portugal lost no territory during the Napoleonic wars... (Actually, we lost a "Beyond Guadiana River" city and it's surroundings to Spain, named Olivença)

Other than that, Portugal lost no territory. (During the Napoleonic wars, Portugal conquered French Guyana, but was forced to give it back.)

[lars573]

Brazil.

[Lusitani]

[QUOTE=Jolt;2002221]

Goa is one of the few territories Portugal keeps after the Napoleonic wars (they held onto their African ones, Timor, and Macau). They only lost it in 1961 after India sent in 40000 troops.

Eh?

Portugal lost no territory during the Napoleonic wars... (Actually, we lost a "Beyond Guadiana River" city and it's surroundings to Spain, named Olivença)

Other than that, Portugal lost no territory. (During the Napoleonic wars, Portugal conquered French Guyana, but was forced to give it back.)

Exactly!

OLIVENÇA É NOSSA!!!!!!!!!!