MTW version 1.1 , question

[caravel]

Hello again,

PrestigeX: Good to know that you know that. It would have even better to know that a bit sooner…. But stuff like that happens all the time! He he!

However, when (if) you tire of MTW V1.0 you can always do this:

1. Get a Gnome Editor (that is, if you not already got one, otherwise it is available here at the .Org)
2. Patch up your MTW to V.1.1 again
3. Make a copy of your CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.TXT located in the install folder.
4.Open up the ol’ original CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.TXT with the GnomeEditor.
5. Go to row:75-76/column:51 and remove Switzerland in both places and save. Now all factions in “Late” should have access to the Swiss boys! And now you can fight with or against them as much as you like.
6. As you probably suspected this will also be true in campaign mode so if you want a “pure” standard game make a copy of the copy you did earlier and make sure it has right filename:

“CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.TXT” (no surprises there I guess)

This is of course all up to you, but it is a little suggestion for you. The advantages of patching up again are of course some over all improvements and additional stability to the game.

Column 71 refers to units era and faction association for non campaign battles. Column 51 is for campaigns only.

@Axalon: If you want me to respond to the rest of that post, send it to me in a PM which is the correct means of communication for such issues.

[Axalon]

Well Cynwulf (its really a shame that we have to continue this, but if this is what you want, fine ok),

I have sent a PM to you, as requested.

Now for the record; yes you are right regarding MTW-VI/V.2.01 no doubt about that, but as far as MTW V.1.1 goes (which was the relevant case for what I wrote for PrestigeX here) it is column: 51 that is the right place for doing such adjustments. Because it is that “SWITZERLAND” entry that prevents him from getting access to these Swiss boys in “Late” custom battles (and in “Late” campaigns as long as he don’t control Switzerland, and with the usual available factions in default “Late” custom battles). Feel free to check it out, by all means.

- A

BTW: I got a warning for my previous post since it was deemed to be “baiting” Cynwulf here.

[Lokiss]

First warning I've seen in here, :O

[caravel]

Now for the record; yes you are right regarding MTW-VI/V.2.01 no doubt about that, but as far as MTW V.1.1 goes (which was the relevant case for what I wrote for PrestigeX here) it is column: 51 that is the right place for doing such adjustments. Because it is that “SWITZERLAND” entry that prevents him from getting access to these Swiss boys in “Late” custom battles (and in “Late” campaigns as long as he don’t control Switzerland, and with the usual available factions in default “Late” custom battles). Feel free to check it out, by all means.

You may be right for all I know. It's a long time since I've messed with V1.x as I bought VI as soon as it was released and thus began using v2.x. As far as I know in v2.x column 71 controls the availability of units for custom battles, so are you saying that in MTW v1.1 that column is absent altogether? I don't feel like reinstalling MTW V1.1 to check. What you're saying does make sense.

[Axalon]

Hello again, (I have learned to do the darn things!)

PrestigeX has probably left the building, but none the less some of us are still around to continuing this little debate over this problem. Since I am fairly new here at the Org I don’t really know how these things usually works out, but here is my final contribution anyways:

I for one am a huge fan of relevancy, and in that spirit I would like to do these little remarks to try to tidy things up a bit for anyone who is still interested in this particular case of “MTW version 1.1 , question ”.


In a strict sense of relevancy then:

PrestigeX has two viable alternatives to get his Swiss boys into action with the stated circumstances, since it seems he does not have any access to MTW-VI/V2.01:

1. He can downgrade his existing MTW V.1.1 install to MTW V.1.0, as suggested by Cynwulf. In doing so PrestigeX would get access to the Swiss boys in “Late” campaigns and in custom battles as long as he stick with the “Late”- era. Everything else suggested regarding this option is either irrelevant or incorrect, not because I say so, but because that’s just how things are with MTW V1.0, it’s a matter of fact, as simple as that.

2. He can upgrade his MTW V1.0 to V1.1 and do the 1-6 manoeuvres as I suggested with a GnomeEditor. To make things happen with the Swiss boys he must, and can only, tinker with column: 51, since anything else is in this case either irrelevant, incorrect or corrupts the file in this particular case (it will only get the result that game won’t run at all). Not because I say so, but because it’s is just the way things are with MTW V.1.1, it’s a matter of fact, pure and simple.

Since there are two available options, which one is the most advantageous for PrestigeX? Personally I would suggest that alternative 2 is the safer bet of the two existing options available under the given circumstances as dictated in the thread title. Not because it was I who presented that option, but for the reason that it offers fewer flaws and bugs in the game itself and some over all improved stability in the game compared with version 1.0.


So much for relevancy....

It could have been anybody who came up with all this info, this time it just happened to be those of us who posted it in. It is not classified or anything like that, it is just matter of knowing were and how to look for it. If this little debate continues on it will have to do so without me from now on (I throw in my towel here). However I will say this before I leave, the will and effort to help out PrestigeX here seems to be alive and kicking, which is always a good thing. But, I for one, wonders if he is still around?


- Cheers
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(Cynwulf: hi, regarding your previous questions in post 12, this is what I know of it; column 71 is there alright in MTW V.1.1, but it is differently formatted in than in MTW V.2.0 and onwards. In MTW V.1.x, the 71 column does only determine if the unit in question is regarded as a “mercenary” unit or not. In later the editions that column is parted threefold: mercenary unit (yes/no)/TAB/era (for custom battles)/TAB/faction association (again for custom battles). I guess this was the thing you were trying to point out in your earlier post. I don’t know why there is this different formatting applied in VI/V2.01. My guess is that it might be connected to later improvements upon the already existing game-programs limited framework and how that was built up, but your guess is as good as mine. Hope this shed some light for you on that matter. /Cheers)