Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman
Did the troops out now policy lead to a split and a rushed bodge job that left millions slaughtered and ethnicly cleansed , a military occupation and wars that remain unresolved 60 years on ?
You make a fine point about 'success', when we look at the (very) big picture.

However, we're discussing " persistent, non-volent, civil disobedience" as a viable tactic and alternative to terrorism. I should have added: "massively supported". Ghandi's tack said, in effect, to Britain: "I will do this thing, and several thousands of my fellows will do it also. We will probably die; but eventually, you will run out of bullets, and your arms will tire beating us; and after the first thousand of us lay dead and dying at your feet, the next thousand will come, and the next thousand, and the next."

What I'm saying is: If we take as given that innocent people are gonna die over this (whatever) issue, the oppressed - however desperate they think they are - still make a choice: "Do I kill or die?"

They'll find plenty of justification for the "kill" option. History, religion, atrocities, can all be summoned to his side of the argument. The "die" option looks stupid to those outside, but takes considerably more courage and resolve, trying to make that death exponentially more meaningful.