OOC Thread and Chatroom

[The Celtic Viking]

I think if the man has no management influence should be used instead. does this make sense? I mean it's possible for a satrap to delegate tasks so he is not burdened with skills and tasks that management points cover. Influence makes sense because teh more settlements under his control would require enough influence to keep happy and such anyway. (plus the ability to convince people to do the maths work and such)

No, I disagree. Management points would still be needed because you're not given settlements to delegate them, but to manage them yourself the way you see fit (even if you'll delegate them anyway).

[Celtic_Punk]

Not really. It doesn't take a genious to say "we're going to need some new sewers man" plus IC Cunobelinus already has some experience. Being in charge of the Satrap doesn't require a satrap to do everything himself. He'll delegate most if not all tasks relating to day to day running of the cities, and really the only thing he'd probably personally oversee (unless he has a hardon for doing taxes) is construction. Influence is really the only thing that would allow someone to control a greater area. doesn't matter how good of an administrator you are, if you have no influence over the people, how can you expect to govern or rule them? You can lead the horse to the water, but you can't make him drink

[The Celtic Viking]

Hold that horse's head under water long enough, and I can assure you the bugger will drink.

However, it does take management skills to manage cities, and that's obvious. Seriously, the "you must have at least 2 management points to get a second settlement" is there for a reason, and if we just disregard that and give more settlements anyway, what point does it serve?

Management points is how it is, it's the way it's always been, and it's the best way to do it. It's why my satrapy got so big when the others' didn't, it's why when Nikarchos' took over it that it got so small, and I don't see why this should be changed when it comes to the change from Aratos to Arrhenides.

[Celtic_Punk]

I don't think it should get bigger or smaller until the nile's settlements get bigger and more important

[The Celtic Viking]

What? The settlements' sizes are completely irrelevant here.

[MerlinusCDXX]

I can, as Chancellor, transfer a retinue off of one of the myriad of inactive characters we have to Arrhenides to give him 1 pt. of management, as long as I do it before the turn ends. He'd have to get the second one on his own (hint, sit in school in Alex. or Memphis).

[Celtic_Punk]

nononono i'm not saying anyhting liek that.

But I think this is a special case. Memphis and Alexandriea are like bread and butter, or peanut butter and jelly, peas and carrots (i hate both peas AND carrots). Splitting them up shouldn't happen just because the satrap hates maths

[The Celtic Viking]

It's not a special case: the rules are the way they are and they apply to you just like they applied to SwissBarbar and still apply for everyone else, and what settlements we're talking about doesn't change this. If you don't want to break them up, you should have the satrapy dissolved and take the position as regional advisor. Then they will be together and you will still have practical control over both.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

of course you could always try a charter amendment to give Satrap aids the ability to take over as satrap if the current satrap is absent for a long time, and will give up being satrap whenever old satrap returns.

[Celtic_Punk]

Well my edict still mike pass. it IS legal after all. by teh way. TCV what's the last message on your user page? this crap's pissin me off

[The Celtic Viking]

It's legal, but if you're the satrap as you would be, then the rules for the satrap applies. If Kingsnake returns he returns to being the satrap, and then it will be restored automatically. But while you are the satrap (if your edict passes... we can't jump to conclusions ), one must go as I see it.

By last on user page, do you mean the pointless "agagag"? If so... I completely agree. I can really do without spam.

[Celtic_Punk]

the last spoiler i can see says Ya-uh

anyway I'd be acting satrap, not the actual satrap. therefore i am just running the satrapy, it's not my satrap perse

[The Celtic Viking]

Oh right, THAT'S the user page. It's a worthless piece of crap, I know, and I didn't care to fix the problem. Maybe I will now. Or later. Or not. Who knows?

If you're acting satrap, then you are still the satrap that counts. You can't act satrap and not be the satrap, and a satrapy can't have two satraps. If you would not count as the satrap, you would still count as an aid, and then you can't govern more than one settlement anyway, as per rule 3.10:

(4) The Satrap may delegate one of his settlements to one of his aids (aka, another players general) to govern.

It specifically notes the number of one for one. By the way, Ibn, a clarification on this part (also from rule 3.10):

(2) Satrapy can have settlements added or removed from it. The Basileus is the only one who can do that. All additional provinces must share the border with the rest of the Satrapy.

Does this mean I can remove settlements at will (as long as the satrapy still has settlement/s so that it isn't dissolved that way)?

[Celtic_Punk]

The edict states that its only Temporary authority, and not becoming the actual satrap. The satrap would still be Aratos, but Cunobelinus would just exercise his authority till Aratos can do it himself.

[The Celtic Viking]

Look, I am fully aware that it would just be temporary and I do understand the reasons for it, but that is irrelevant AFAIK. Lets just wait for Ibn to give his ruling.

[Celtic_Punk]

that probably won't be till tomorrow

[The Celtic Viking]

True, but I think we'd end up continuing the discussion until he came in if we didn't wait anyway, so we might as well just wait for it. He's the only one who can conclusively decide this, after all.

[Celtic_Punk]

I guess so... he better rule in my favour!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Do you two ever sleep?? (It was 2am in here when you had your discussion)

Now, TCV and rule clarifications:

(4) The Satrap may delegate one of his settlements to one of his aids (aka, another players general) to govern.

Yes, Satrap can give only one settlement to his Aid.

(2) Satrapy can have settlements added or removed from it. The Basileus is the only one who can do that. All additional provinces must share the border with the rest of the Satrapy.

Does this mean I can remove settlements at will (as long as the satrapy still has settlement/s so that it isn't dissolved that way)?

Capital of a Satrapy(Example: Hekatompylos) can not be removed but other settlements can be taken away from a Satrap if Basileus wishes so. For such action Satrap can answer with a declaration of war if he wants.

TCV-CP Satrapy discussion:

1. If a new Satrap is appointed and he does not have enough Management points he will loose settlements. If Affhenides should become Satrap and he does not have enough points for a second settlement then he can't have it.

2. As I said in this post I will let him recruit/build everything in Egyptian Satrapy if his Edict passes. He does not receive any Satrap bonuses. Though, this will be temporarily and I would like to see a time added to that Edict.

Also, CP, your slave trader will be sold to slavery(this time in real).

Gah! It took more than a hour to write this post!!!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Just wanted to say that all of you could join Org Tavern in twcenter. It\'s a subforum in here >> http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

You have to join Orgah member group first. I hope they get Org back up soon but until then we can continue our Council Session in there.

[Celtic_Punk]

vote for my damn edict you bastards!

[MerlinusCDXX]

Second my edict you damn bastard! lol

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I would buuuuuutttt..... My hands are tied in this matter.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Until these problems with ORG are over I would suggest we expand this Council Session. I have hard time getting here and when I use proxies I get these small problems(can't insert links or pics and sometimes my edit ability is disappeared).

But, if you want to proceed as usual then I'll work something out.

Edit: Org is back up but I'll give 2 more days for this Council Session.

[Incitatus]

I'm pretty sure this is the case but if edict 10.3 passes we can use force diplomacy to make the peace actually happen, right?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes, we can. But it's up to Chancellor whether he want's to use force diplomacy or he wants to use RTW diplomacy to get a ceasefire.

[Celtic_Punk]

like thats going to happen

[MerlinusCDXX]

Dude, the reason I put it in an edict was so I could use FD, yeah, I trust RTW diplomacy that much. ;p

[Incitatus]

I was just making sure. Actually we may want to do something similar with Carthage until we are ready to deal with them. A meaningless, endless slog in the desert wouldn't be much fun (unless we march to Carthage and sack it, that is).

[Celtic_Punk]

Why do you think iw ant control of the satrapy? I want to expand to the West. then how can anything stop me?! muahahahahahaha