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    Pella Hellenistic Macedonia

    Following the death of Perdiccas in 413 BC, and the ensuing palace intrigues, the reformer Archelaus built a new palace at Pella and there transferred the capital of Macedonia about 22 miles northeast, from the old city of Aigai. Pella was established on a series of low ridges that extended southwest to the edge of Lake Loudiaka (the blue area) and the surrounding wetlands (the green area). By the Hellenistic Period Pella may have had a population of several 100,000 and was composed of four discrete components; including the old quarter, the palace, the new quarter, and the river harbor.

    This view is from the northeast at a high angle looking southwest. The old quarter was located on the highest portion of the main ridge (within the walls and left center). The palace was situated on a low promontory island just to the west of the old quarter. Here portions of a large royal palace have been excavated. This area was included with the main city wall, but was separated by a swampy channel and another wall. This island was connected to the new quarter by a wide causeway and a bridge.


    The new quarter was located southwest and south of the old quarter and palace. With an Agora (center) that covered about seven hectares, at the center of this area, it was organized using the street grid and city block system. This was the main residential/commercial area, and this method of design was also known as the Hippodamean Plan. At Pella about 176 of these rectangular city blocks were identified, which measured 45x111-152 meters. The view below is from the south at a low angle looking north. The city grid pattern was dominated by one large east-west (which was centered on the Agora) and two north-south (which flank the Agora and lead to the river harbor) running streets.


    Immediately south of the new quarter and outside the main fortifications was the river harbor. The current reconstruction of this area is speculative as this it has been largely destroyed by a modern hydraulic drainage project. When functional, the river harbor on Lake Loudiaka managed traffic coming directly up the Loudias River from the Thermaic Gulf. Historically, Lake Loudiaka completely silting in, which in part compelled the founding of a new port city and the initial economic and political decline of Pella.

    For a sense of scale one will note a very small figure standing in the opening of the center gate house that opens to the river harbor. This represents an adult human, however its important to remember that in order to fit the EB format, the model’s scale is about 10:1. One will also notice that due to the various natural water obstacles an enemy army could only effectively advance on a very narrow front.
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    ... You gave too little information on Pella. :P

    I am unable to measure how big the city was. Even though, it looks rather small.

    (P.S. You also didn't answer my last question. >_>)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    ... You gave too little information on Pella. :P

    I am unable to measure how big the city was. Even though, it looks rather small.

    (P.S. You also didn't answer my last question. >_>)

    From above

    'Providing a significant water source for the city’s center, this diversion canal effectively divided Seleucia north and south along its alignment. Within the city this feature was crossed by numerous bridges placed to correspond to the grid and block residential layout of the city.'

    The diversion canal was not paved.
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    Ambracia Hellenistic Epirus

    This view is from the south, at a high angle, looking north.


    This model has now been modified.
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    Oh, boy!

    I'd love to see these cities in EBII.

    My only concern is that such layouts might confuse the AI, both when attacking and defending. I have found the AI pathfinding somewhat lacking even in the square cities of vanilla, so in these cities, with double walls, and unwalled sections, the AI might not know where to place its troops when defending, or might get stuck with its ladders and rams. Maybe this is moddable, though...
    If it would work, however, it would give siege battles a whole new dimension.


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    @Cmacq, WOW!

    In deffinite awe of what my visual sense is telling me.
    Now, if there is a way to get those cities in EB2, we must find someone willing to make it happen.


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    Default Re: Factional Capitals of the EB II time frame

    nice pictures....SketchUp serves well for this task :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by keravnos View Post
    Now, if there is a way to get those cities in EB2, we must find someone willing to make it happen.
    Indeed!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by cmacq View Post
    From above

    'Providing a significant water source for the city’s center, this diversion canal effectively divided Seleucia north and south along its alignment. Within the city this feature was crossed by numerous bridges placed to correspond to the grid and block residential layout of the city.'

    The diversion canal was not paved.
    Right, right. Somehow I missed that when reading. >_>
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    Gergovia Arvernian Gaul


    Looking north/northwest.


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    Default Re: Factional Capitals of the EB II time frame

    It would be nice to see some topography also. It didn't matter so much with the other cities mainly located on plains or straits or islands, but with Gergovia it is in my opinion imperative, as it is a city built on a hill top.

    All in all, awesome work CmacQ! Hope this makes it to EB2.
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    Default Re: Factional Capitals of the EB II time frame

    Gergovia’s Defensive Architecture Modified Murus Gallicus Construction






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    Awsome Work!!! It would be Gr8 if EBII capitals could be moded to look like that. But what about Athens & Rome?

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    I have such hopes too, since DOTS will make it happen.

    Maybe not for the first release, but...
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