Deleting/Moving posts

[pevergreen]

I am aware, however, after going downstairs on a thought trip (returning with a bountiful harvest of chips) I realised i was stepping out of line, so I asked Martok to edit out all parts of the off topic conversation we had. I edited out mine (as you can see by my edit lines, all within a minute) and I can only presume Martok is doing that.

Once thats all gone, I am sure we can continue our civil discussion. We had a good one going.

[ArtistofWarfare]

I am aware, however, after going downstairs on a thought trip (returning with a bountiful harvest of chips) I realised i was stepping out of line, so I asked Martok to edit out all parts of the off topic conversation we had. I edited out mine (as you can see by my edit lines, all within a minute) and I can only presume Martok is doing that.

Once thats all gone, I am sure we can continue our civil discussion. We had a good one going.

You know what - You just apologized in so many words. In my mind, we're back at square one - I agree, let's just move forward.

Yet look at my edit.

2 warning points.

Yes, this thread IS perfect proof that there is bias. Now of course that "other thread" will be edited, changed, altered ...whatever. But the fact remains, 1/3rd of my posts are locked/deleted/moved and I'm issued warning points even when the most anti- AoW members agree they stepped out of line with me.

What's the sense? Why even post? ...

[Monk]

You know what - You just apologized in so many words. In my mind, we're back at square one - I agree, let's just move forward.

Yet look at my edit.

2 warning points.

Yes, this thread IS perfect proof that there is bias. Now of course that "other thread" will be edited, changed, altered ...whatever. But the fact remains, 1/3rd of my posts are locked/deleted/moved and I'm issued warning points even when the most anti- AoW members agree they stepped out of line with me.

What's the sense? Why even post? ...

Well, how is there bias?

You claim you've done nothing wrong, yet from my perspective I've seen you troll and outright bait other members to get a reaction out them. You've even admitted to trolling at one point because it is "fair", something that is against the rules. I've seen you claim to educate someone upon a topic, and then call them names. As in the case of FH right here in the Watchtower, you explain yourself then tell him to grow up. How is it the mod in question is expected to act when viewing your post behavior in this light?

You continue to post with a confrontational attitude when concerning certain members you don't like, then act surprised when your behavior is looked upon negatively or is punished.

I'm really not sure how you expect to be taken. Your actions speak for themselves.

edit: removed lower half of the post, was redundant.

[ArtistofWarfare]

Well, how is there bias?

You claim you've done nothing wrong, yet from my perspective I've seen you troll and outright bait other members to get a reaction out them. You've even admitted to trolling at one point because it is "fair", something that is against the rules. I've seen you claim to educate someone upon a topic, and then call them names. As in the case of FH right here in the Watchtower, you explain yourself then tell him to grow up. How is it the mod in question is expected to act when viewing your post behavior in this light?

You continue to post with a confrontational attitude when concerning certain members you don't like, then act surprised when your behavior is looked upon negatively or is punished.

I'm really not sure how you expect to be taken. Your actions speak for themselves.

edit: removed lower half of the post, was redundant and sounded weird.

If that is your opinion, I respect it.

Here's the point:

You've apparently seen me do all of that, yet prior to 10 minutes ago I had never received a warning point in over 500+ posts on the .org. Not one warning...nothing.

TONIGHT: 2 warning points for a MAJOR infraction.

Of the aforementioned violations you've seen me commit, I don't think you claim to see any of those take place tonight.

Please - read my posting history from tonight. Anyone. You're telling me that they fit the quoted description?

Well that's when the 2 warning points for a MAJOR infraction showed up.

That's where the evidence lies in the fact that there is censorship and bias. Your post supports this.

[Monk]

I'm not sure how my post supports anything of the sort.

The fact that you have not received any warning points in the past does not mean you are immune to receiving one, or even two, here in the present should the situation call for it. I've seen you deliberately attempt to instigate a confrontation in the last week alone, and I saw you do much the same in the thread we are now referencing. You claimed to be supporting pizzaguy's thread on page two, but one page one you were questioning why he should even be able to make a thread of that sort. Am I wrong in this?

If you honestly believe you are the target of a conspiracy or a bias, then that is your humble opinion and i respect it, however being a Moderator of this site i cannot help but feel offended that you would accuse my fellow mods and AMs of being so petty to participate in such a practice. I think, AoW, that you can be a very helpful and contributing member of this site. I've seen your posts in the Apothecary (i think it was there? Correct me if i'm wrong) where you go were going to great lengths to help people who were struggling with tech problems in the game. However I've also seen the way you've acted (and react) to something certain people say in the citadel and now the Empire forum, and I have to say that imho those actions were quite out of line.

I'm not suggesting you feign niceties, no. I know the way of the world. Not everyone can like everyone else, personalities clash. However the site has rules that we expect members to uphold. Sometimes the best thing to do is to walk away from your computer instead of posting something you may regret.

[Monk]

Yes, I am guilty of accusations of "selective modding". My solution? Forgive and forget. As I did with another member, I baited and attacked him, thinking it to be "fair" and "just". Ultimately, this made me no better than him, and I was under the influence of Smug. Though, after a while, I managed to punch myself in the bollox (As Tribesy would say) and man up, and made peace with my "rival".

My point? Man up. Don't like the mods? TS, they're in charge. Don't become a Swedish Fish.

Besides, you say you cited historical sources and argued Blitzkrieg with a member on a game-related thread, and the conversation was deleted. This, of course, was because the discussion of historical Blitzkrieg was unrelated to a thread about game "Blitzing". Note, the entire conversation was deleted, correct? That means you're not being targeted, it means the Mods are clearing house. Besides, the other member might have gotten a warning as well (though the Mods keep this confidential to everyone but the person in question).

Whether or not you continue your confrontational, "everyone's against me", and increasingly childish attitude is up to you. Take note, however, this will tank your reputation with some, and will more than likely achieve nothing.

The Mods, nor members, are not your, or anyone's, slaves. They do not "hold grudges", "target", or "help out a friend". They follow ToS when they see it violated. This was the case. They acted accordingly.

Interesting advice SF.

You make some good points however, in the interests of keeping heads cool might I suggest we keep this discussion civil and not bordering on the confrontational posting style that has led to this issue being brought to the Watchtower in the first place? (longest run-on ever!) I know the subject at hand is a volatile one, warning Points are always a hot button issue.

Take this as a friendly reminder everyone; let's keep this civil.

[pevergreen]

You are right Monk.

AoW made me realise, I aint even ready to apply to be a mod yet. I'm thankful Martok got it. (bl to CBR?)

Now if you shall excuse me, fellow patrons, I shall go sit in ventrilo and play some dota.

Whats that? Yes i do seem to be pushing and owning, with the opponents im toying.

[KarlXII]

Yes, I am guilty of accusations of "selective modding". My solution? Forgive and forget. As I did with another member, I baited and attacked him, thinking it to be "fair" and "just". Ultimately, this made me no better than him, and I was under the influence of Smug. Though, after a while, I managed to punch myself in the bollox (As Tribesy would say) and man up, and made peace with my "rival".

My point? Man up. Don't like the mods? TS, they're in charge. Don't become a Swedish Fish.

Besides, you say you cited historical sources and argued Blitzkrieg with a member on a game-related thread, and the conversation was deleted. This, of course, was because the discussion of historical Blitzkrieg was unrelated to a thread about game "Blitzing". Note, the entire conversation was deleted, correct? That means you're not being targeted, it means the Mods are clearing house. Besides, the other member might have gotten a warning as well (though the Mods keep this confidential to everyone but the person in question).

Whether or not you continue your confrontational, "everyone's against me", and increasingly childish attitude is up to you. Take note, however, this will tank your reputation with some, and will more than likely achieve nothing.

The Mods, nor members, are not your, or anyone's, slaves. They do not "hold grudges", "target", or "help out a friend". They follow ToS when they see it violated. This was the case. They acted accordingly.