Britain adopts Sharia law. Is this true?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Only the Australian Daily Telegraph is NewsCorp, according to Wiki.

EDIT: Right now, on the first page of Google, I see the Times, Daily Mail, and Sun carrying it.

Ah - ok, so I guess this event has happened.

[Crazed Rabbit]

1. It's a Faux News article about Islam
2. It's a Faux News article about Britain
3. It's a Faux News article

Can you not read links?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4749183.ece

Revealed: UK’s first official sharia courts
Abul Taher

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

It's pathetic the extent people will deny FoxNews. Sure, its not a great source, but acting as though it makes things up out of thin air is bewildering.

Of course there is pressure. But it's a free society, they have the option to choose not to, and they know it.

Forced marriages are a problem, if small. Women are forced into marriages. Are you saying they could not then be forced into accepting these courts?

Do you really think that won't be a problem?

Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.

CR

[Tribesman]

This isn't a lie.

Ah - ok, so I guess this event has happened.

What is wrong with you people ?
Have you no memories at all ?
This is the third time in as many months that this "new" story has been discussed on this forum .
Bloody hell EA even gave a pretty full legal discourse on the law , its origins , development and use in Britain throughout the last century and beyond .

[ICantSpellDawg]

What is wrong with you people ?
Have you no memories at all ?
This is the third time in as many months that this "new" story has been discussed on this forum .
Bloody hell EA even gave a pretty full legal discourse on the law , its origins , development and use in Britain throughout the last century and beyond .

No no no.
I have a memory that this was in the process of happening and had been happening for certain Jewish citizens for some time. I want to know the status of every crack in the dam. This is akin to a solid breach that is deep and lasting. Before it was just a likely threat based on what we already knew.

I don't stop reading about the financial crisis, even though it has been going on for some time now. Every major development is of interest to me. A parallel legal system that stresses inequality in a major Western nation is of the utmost interest to me.

[Tribesman]

Can you not read links?

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

oh and just in case you forgot the rulings of arbitration courts are binding in law as long as they are not in contravention of the law just like they always have been .

[Tribesman]

No no no.
I have a memory that this was in the process of happening and had been happening for certain Jewish citizens for some time.

In the process of happening ??????
Don't you mean that the long estalished legal process is recently being talked about in the media

[ICantSpellDawg]

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

oh and just in case you forgot the rulings of arbitration courts are binding in law as long as they are not in contravention of the law just like they always have been .

They've provided an example of male heirs getting double what the females received. That is acceptable to you? You want to see Women pressured by their insular social groups to accept 20% of what they would have gotten in a western court?

I thought conservatives were the ones who wanted to subjugate women and impose arbitrary authority on everyone?

[ICantSpellDawg]

In the process of happening ??????
Don't you mean that the long estalished legal process is recently being talked about in the media

Islamic courts are new arrivals - they have not been around for hundreds of years in the UK. This is a new occurrence.

Tax loopholes have been open for a long time which small percentages of people take advantage of. If larger populations of people began to take advantage of the same laws the system may not have been intended for that. If the trend seemed to be endless, maybe the tax code would need to be reformed, but reform could only happen through the awareness of the drivers of it.

But I'm sure that you wouldn't be concerned with Christian courts which the law would be expected to enforce.

[naut]

I am so amazingly glad I don't live in the UK anymore.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

So what? I read that.

In my very first post in this thread:

You don't think certain classes of people might not be pressured to agree to a Sharia court for abitration?

Good grief, this is a pathetic level of trolling from you tribesy.

CR

[Tribesman]

They've provided an example of male heirs getting double what the females received.

Wow that terrible isn't it , I would have gone for the traditional western custom where the eldest male gets everything

[KarlXII]

Aren't there Jewish courts in Britain?

[ICantSpellDawg]

So what? I read that.
Good grief, this is a pathetic level of trolling from you tribesy.

CR

C'mon. I think Tribesman does us more of a favor than you know. He creates devils advocate positions that are witty but aren't all that defensible. The very fact that he counters reasonable conservative argument with callousness may lead to more conservative converts than it does converts to his own side.

It seems as though his side in argument is more interesting, but fundamentally weaker once Tribesman enters into the fray.

[Tribesman]

Aren't there Jewish courts in Britain?

Yes but certain classes of Jewish people wouldn't be pressured into agreeing to the arbitration so its different .

[ICantSpellDawg]

Wow that terrible isn't it , I would have gone for the traditional western custom where the eldest male gets everything

Is that default law? If a man dies without a will, does the eldest get everything? Not anymore.

I don't necessarily disagree with cultural modules on top of a bare bones British legal system. However, I think it is an important discussion for the British electorate to have and that my listed concerns are legitimate

[Tribesman]

Is that default law? If a man dies without a will, does the eldest get everything? Not anymore.

Blimey and you call yourself a conservative , whatever happened to your upholding traditions of the good old days ?

[ICantSpellDawg]

Blimey and you call yourself a conservative , whatever happened to your upholding traditions of the good old days ?

We all pick and choose what values we hold dear enough to conserve. I'm the eldest son, but I prefer the law that suggests a clean and even break when it comes to free parent loot. I'm sure that my 4 siblings would appreciate that sentiment.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

We all pick and choose what values we hold dear enough to conserve. I'm the eldest son, but I prefer the law that suggests a clean and even break when it comes to free parent loot. I'm sure that my 4 siblings would appreciate that sentiment.

I'd have to agree with you on this.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I'm an only child.

[HoreTore]

There has been cases of moslem women being told how to vote by the head (male) of the family in the city I live in.

I've forced my father, mother and two ex-girlfriends into voting. The big deal being....?

[Strike For The South]

I've forced my father, mother and two ex-girlfriends into voting. The big deal being....?

FACIST!

[KarlXII]

Yes but certain classes of Jewish people wouldn't be pressured into agreeing to the arbitration so its different .

You know this how? How does a Muslim court differentiate with a Jewish court in terms of people being pressured into one?

[Incongruous]

I've forced my father, mother and two ex-girlfriends into voting. The big deal being....?

Uhuh...

Either you read IA wrong or you are just being selective in your understanding of what he said.

Now what IA reported seems to be a simple case of domestic issues or violence. You could have just pointed that out instead of trying to score points by writing crap.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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It's glad to learn that Rev. Rowan Williams's proposal has finally been realised. Thanks for the links!
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[Fragony]

Ah, news from England? It's almost becomming comical.

[JR-]

Has Faux News gone Commie?

quit. spamming. discussions.

[JR-]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,422661,00.html

I can't bring my self to believe this. A western nation can't be allowing courts based on religon

Britain has had Jewish Beth-Din(?) arbitration courts for donkeys years.

And we just invented a Brit-Approved(tm) Islamic marriage contract that doesn't involve stoning adulterous brides or leaving them penniless.

We are subverting militant islamism from within!

[Big_John]

Yes but Jewish people aren't muslims so its different .

fixed it for you.

[KrooK]

Heh
Great Britain back into Medieval :) And you already have your own campaign :)

[Mikeus Caesar]

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[PBI]

So let me get this straight.

The law says that you are allowed to choose any arbitration method you like, literally anything at all including appeals to the Jedi council, so long as the judgement doesn't contradict any established British laws.

But because some people are choosing Sharia courts I'm supposed to be outraged?



Exactly what solution do the outrage crowd propose? Make the law state "any arbitration method you want, except for Sharia"?

Oh, and EMFM, the Times and Sun are both Newscorp (or at least Murdoch owned). The Mail makes both of those look like a bunch of tree-hugging lefties and will happily reprint any story so long as it's about Muslims. Until it appears on the BBC I don't buy it.