some possible formations

[Ghaseken]

Well, 1) Can you add some of these formations to roman legionaries?
Testudo

Infantry Wedge

Repel Cavalry

The Orbus

[General Appo]

Can´t see any of your pics.

IIRC, you can´t make up new special abilities.

[Ghaseken]

goddamn it i thought that safari cant detect it but :( wrong. oh well

[abou]

Only one special attribute per unit is possible. Take a look at cavalry: either wedge or Cantabrian circle.

Furthermore, implementing those formations would involve probably replacing the animations of one formation for another. An infantry wedge is possible, but considering how well it doesn't work in RTW, don't expect it in EB2.

[Patriote]

Yeah but trebuchets have 2 special abilities in M2TW, fire ammo and dead cows, how is that so ?

[Majd il-Romani]

Yeah but trebuchets have 2 special abilities in M2TW, fire ammo and dead cows, how is that so ?

yeah, true, maybe legionnaires can have 2 sepecial formations...

P.S. I like your quotes Patriote

[ludwag]

yeah, true, maybe legionnaires can have 2 sepecial formations...

P.S. I like your quotes Patriote

that means many other units also can. but the question is if it is possible to make new formations.
btw, agree on patriotes quotes.

[Foot]

The catapults thing is a special case, i do not think it can be applied to unit formations.

We cannot create new unit formations.

Foot

[Ghaseken]

really? well you dont REALLY need rotten cows, so you can probably mess with the code to make a formation. plus the stichrom can be usd as orbus. the wedge is already there. there are two formation slots that probably won't be used: rotten cows and explosive shells. skimishing mode is basically loose formation, and repel cavalry and testudo can fill up the slots that rotten cows and explosive shells. sorry for the bad grammar, im in a hurry to write this.

[Foot]

Mmm, you have misunderstand me completely. We cannot "mess" with the code in any form. We can't change rotten cows into "cool new formation" nor anything similar. That is not data we have access to.

Foot

[Ghaseken]

Mmm, you have misunderstand me completely. We cannot "mess" with the code in any form. We can't change rotten cows into "cool new formation" nor anything similar. That is not data we have access to.

Foot

I NEVER said cool new formation. And what, you're not even gonna make a testudo? can't you, you know, change some sort of animation? And you wont keep the spear wall formation for the phalanx, will you? I mean, it wasn't even invented till the 13th century by william wallace.

[Foot]

The spear wall wasnt invented until the 13th century? By William Wallace? Really? How would you describe the Phalangitai formation except as a "wall of spears".

"well you dont REALLY need rotten cows, so you can probably mess with the code to make a formation."
As rotten cows isn't a formation turning it into a formation would be the creation of a "new" formation.

However, we can make the testudo as it still exists in the code (it was just disabled). Whether it will be used in the game is not yet sure. It was not a formation used in field battles, but rather a special formation used in particular situations during siege battles.

Foot

[ziegenpeter]

I mean, it wasn't even invented till the 13th century by william wallace.

You're kidding, right?

Edit: Shameful. A foot is faster than both of my hands.

[Ghaseken]

You're kidding, right?

actually its the stiltrom formation, which was invented by william wallace, spear wall is

[Aemilius Paulus]

What are the in-game advantages of the wedge cavalry formation anyway?

[bovi]

The cavalry get slaughtered quicker. I'd say that is an advantage to the enemy, so there's your advantage right there.

[ludwag]

phalanx is a storm of spears, but william wallace spear wall thing is like a trap or a wall. and he diddnt invert it just becouse he used it.

[Oqlanth]

Spear Wall and William of Wallace...
Bravehearth is a good film.... I like it...And among many films -especialy Hollywood ones!-based on history Bravehearth probably will stand on top...
But William Wallace did not invent anything!!! Well he is a good general! Spirited person!...Brave...But it is not like something they mentioned in the film that suddenly a bell rings in the William Wallace's head and "we will use spears!... Very long spears!..."
and....
TADA!!!
He invented spear wall!
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Well it is known among Europe -i will also not mention about phalanx!-
William Wallace was a veteran soldier. So he probably know 'spear wall' from his experiences or 'veteran common knowledge'


Cihan

[ludwag]

spear wall and phalanx is very very different. spear wall and shield wall are for defending and stuff. But phalanx is for making chaos in the enemy ranks and making them unable to attack back. Phalanx are not for defending, it is for attacking and pushing. thats why it is so deep, so that they could push eachother in the back and make an overwhelming power to squeeze the enemy.

[Megas Methuselah]

I was led to believe the phalanx was an anchor which was used to hold the enemy in place until the hammer could strike the real blow. And who said the shield wall was solely used in defence, ludwag? You? Who else? I'm getting so sick of your ignorance being stated as fact, dude. I hate you. Very much.

[Foot]

I do have to agree. Your statement that the Phalangitai were not a defensive formation is at odds with the facts. It was a formation that was heavily used with a cavalry wing, it was not a formation that could win a battle on its own. It was weak at the rear and sides, and would have lost easily if enveloped. Yes it was a pushing match, but so are all other static formations. You say the shieldwall was purely defensive. If so that would have made the wars of the saxons relatively bloodless as they were all using it. Furthermore, I've actually stood in a shieldwall, been trained in it as part of reenactment society. It was aggressive and it was used to push.

If you have a different view of things then you need to know that you need to bring evidence to the forum beyond what you have so far been doing. We cannot deal with your input if you do not.

Foot

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hahaa, check this out:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=108130

(posts 19-21, as well as any other stupidity ludwag may have wrote)
Foot and I make a good team, eh?

(This was from the Tavern by the way.)

You are right Meth, that was a good double team right there.

[Foot]

I'm not at home to insulting fellow forum members. I'm especially not at home with quoting from the Tavern. Such a den of inquity and spam is not welcome, though I'm glad you've all found a new home. I'm not working with Meth in trying to attack Ludwag, I'm just agreeing that Ludwag's points do not hold up to scrutiny. Making someone not feel at home on these forums is what EB Team Members are for, not fans. Don't do it.

Foot

[Megas Methuselah]

Of course, Foot. It is quite obvious in your previous post that you do not insult anyone. Please accept my apologies on behalf of ACIN.

However, if I may ask a question to be answered by someone other than ludwag: What exactly is the difference between a schiltron and phalanx? They are both defensive spearwalls, are they not?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Of course, Foot. It is quite obvious in your previous post that you do not insult anyone. Please accept my apologies on behalf of ACIN.

However, if I may ask a question to be answered by someone other than ludwag: What exactly is the difference between a schiltron and phalanx? They are both defensive spearwalls, are they not?

As far as I can tell, the schiltron as designed purposely against heavy cavalry attacks and was implemented by pikes while the phalanx was implemented by both the spears and large shields of the soldiers and was quite effective towards both infantry who attempted hand to hand combat and cavalry attacks. I am not an expert on any of this but I felt this would contribute to the conversation.

And yes, apologize on my behalf because I must be the one at fault for quoting something someone else had said.

[bovi]

The schiltron is, from what I've seen in the total war series, a defensive formation that has no flank or rear. It makes it more difficult to attack the formation, however it's very hard to move and still stay in formation because people would have to be sidestepping or walking backwards depending on where in the formation they were. Basically it seems the best way to survive when surrounded, fending them off until help can arrive.

The Roman orbus formation is similar, except they did not use spears.

And Mike, will you please remove your huge sig picture?

[Megas Methuselah]

With all respect, is a big sig against the rules?

[bovi]

No, it is merely extremely annoying and disruptive, and unwelcome. You, Sir, would do well to read the forum rules concerning your own sig picture. Are you sure you want to campaign for a strict interpretation of the forum rules?

[a completely inoffensive name]

No, it is merely extremely annoying and disruptive, and unwelcome. You, Sir, would do well to read the forum rules concerning your own sig picture. Are you sure you want to campaign for a strict interpretation of the forum rules?

Me and Meth are probably the only ones with the balls to do such a thing.

[General Appo]

Mike, Meth. Stop this nonsense. Fooling around in general is one thing, insinuating that EB team members are here simply to make others feel unwelcome is quite different.
And please don´t quote the Tavern here. It´s a Social Group, so what someone says there he might not want exposed to all.

Foot: Please do not judge our little group without experience. Unless you regulary spy on us I don´t see how you could possibly have come to the conclusion that the Tavern is "a den of inquity and spam".
True, it sometimes is, but other times we have sensible discussion on various matters.

Anyway, I think we can just cut this off right here.