Meh Elitism
I consider this man a bigot.
Meh Elitism
I consider this man a bigot.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
It's not elitism - the man is simply not sufficiently well-read.
"If there is a sin against life, it consists not so much in despairing as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this one."
Albert Camus "Noces"
We call a person like that a plank as in thick as two short planks. US is a vast melting pot of differing culture how can he seriously believe there are no good US writers.
He is taking the last few years of no nobel prizes for american writers and proclaiming that this proves americans cant write good books. If someone wins next year does that mean the entire culture of US changed overnight cos of him.
I think he should be burned at the stake using every Tom Clancy novel ever published
They slew him with poison afaid to meet him with the steel
a gallant son of eireann was Owen Roe o'Neill.
Internet is a bad place for info Gaelic Cowboy
Absolute rubbish America is packed with great writers.
Perhaps the thread title should be changed from "Europeans say..." to (clueless) "European says"
What an ignorant fool - such a statement puts a stain on the prize as such
The correct title would be "Europeans say Americans cant write well"´
I see that you have gotten aquainted with Horace Engdahl.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED
(I took the liberty of making the topic title more specific, while trying to retain SFTS' ironic intent. ~Kukri)
Bigot? Maybe. More likely though, he's so busy poring through the stuff he's given to judge that he has little time for recreational reading, so misses some real gems out there - including American ones.
Be well. Do good. Keep in touch.
No , the correct title would be " a Swedish bloke talking bollox"The correct title would be "Europeans say Americans cant write well"´
Colour, honour.....
And anyway, this just proves how superior we norwegians are to the barbaric swedes. I say we loot and enslave them, I need some new furniture when I'm moving to a new apartment...
Last edited by HoreTore; 10-01-2008 at 16:36.
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
That's what you get when being a smartass while being to tired to spell correctly.
Cant was from STFS though.
If I understood him correctly (with this interview and a correction he made) it's more of an observation on why the Noble Price has ended up mostly in Europe or to writers connected to Europe in the last years. And yes he's very elitistic and arrogant.
Edit: Horetore, the Peace prize commitée. Need I say more?
Last edited by Ironside; 10-01-2008 at 16:54.
We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?
Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7
Activity Recorded M.Y. 2302.22467
TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED
I think it is obvious Americans are ethnically inferior at writing.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
My dear friends, I must warn you, since at least two of you got it wrong, Doris Lessing is a woman!
"Les Cons ça ose tout, c'est même à ça qu'on les reconnait"
Kentoc'h Mervel Eget Bezañ Saotret - Death feels better than stain, motto of the Breton People. Emgann!
Meh, too many Europeans let themselves be blinded by American popular culture. And hence overlook that there is genuine quality and sophistication in American literature, culture, the arts and public debate.
Making this up as I'm writing, could it be that the worst of American culture is globally exported and consumed, while from smaller countries only the best of its culture is exported? If you think Houellebecq, Édith Piaf, Amélie Poulain and Derrida are representative of French culture, you're in for a shock.
From France, this is what is exported, and not Tecktonik. While from America, for every Springsteen ten Snoop Doggy Dogs cross the ocean.
However, Engdahl is right on several accounts:
American literature really is too sensitive to trends. Engdahl didn't need to add 'to trends of American mass culture'. The constant urge to cater to trends of American High culture is as tiresome and uncreative.
American readers are too reluctant to read translated work. (And to see dubbed or subtitled movies)
The picture is of Dorris Lessing. But the quotes are from Horace Engdahl, a man.
This proves the Frecnh caint read no good and
Originally Posted by Gaelic CowboyA man of drastic measures is a man of my liking.Originally Posted by Gaelic Cowboy, yesterday
Last edited by Tristuskhan; 10-01-2008 at 18:15.
"Les Cons ça ose tout, c'est même à ça qu'on les reconnait"
Kentoc'h Mervel Eget Bezañ Saotret - Death feels better than stain, motto of the Breton People. Emgann!
From the article
I can't say he is wrong...Speaking generally about American literature, however, he said U.S. writers are "too sensitive to trends in their own mass culture," dragging down the quality of their work.
"The U.S. is too isolated, too insular.
Note that he also said:I guess his point is that there of course are quaklity litterature written in the US, BUT you could be better if you had a broader perspective.Of course there is powerful literature in all big cultures
Edit: oops, would appear others have already made a couple of grammatical points.
I cannot disagree with the judge, we are overly insular. The French, who have their own literature and their own movies and television, know far more of American culture than we of theirs. Heck, they probably know more of our culture than we do of our own.
Seriously, even European blockbuster films, like "My Life as a Dog", "Faraway, So Close" "The Girl on the Bridge" and "La Reine Margot" are relatively obscure arthouse films over here.
But I also think that in some ways, being insular might improve your literature, as you'd be more focused and sharper on constructs that play to your own culture well such as wit, humor and sarcasm, which don't translate well.
And I also believe the judge only said it to be a elitist git.
Last edited by Don Corleone; 10-01-2008 at 19:42.
"A man who doesn't spend time with his family can never be a real man."
Don Vito Corleone: The Godfather, Part 1.
"Then wait for them and swear to God in heaven that if they spew that bull to you or your family again you will cave there heads in with a sledgehammer"
Strike for the South
Oh, no. Really they don't, most frenchies are amazed there is such a thing as a world beyond France. They are probably more american then the americans stereotype-technically speaking. Americans shouldn't be so insecure about all that, it's quite telling that all the top universities are in the US. The constant bickering or outright battles between scholars in magazines, not here. We made all that up, America is the intellectual battlefield
edit, you might want to keep an eye on us cloggies, we are better in english then the english hehe
Last edited by Fragony; 10-01-2008 at 20:00.
Koga no Goshi
I give my Nihon Maru to TosaInu in tribute.
Yep. I consider America to be the hight of civilization. Such a huge country with so little internal turmoil, and the most gentle superpower that ever was. It has the right idea and the right spirit, if you want to feel bad about yourselve ask why a black man can actually run for president. Do you really think that would be possible in an european country? You would be way off if you do.
Oh, and kill them, build dikes, carry on, you'll be fine.
Fragony, nope, it was an error...
However, I speak 3 languages fluidly and I can bluff me through 3 more...
How many languages do you speak? English is in fact my third language, I am more fluid in german and swedish.
Before you judge peoples spelling, make sure it doesnt make you look stupid. Fair enough?
Husar, my fingers are sometimes to big for the keyboard:)
What is the point of pointing out spelling errors anyway?
Or, do you claim that my argument is less valid cause my English is not perfect? If so, I invite you to further the conversation in a language I am more fluid in... Det borde väl inte vara några problem, eller hur?
On the macro level, if you think America has done a great job in the world, and could have been a hell of a lot worse, that's your perogative.
In most other regards, though, I think someone who doesn't live here, doesn't worry that a sudden illness is going to absolutely wreck a lifetime of "responsibility" and "saving", doesn't worry that their kid will wind up in a horrible, ghetto public school if they can't afford an expensive, nice-enough house in an expensive, nice-enough neighborhood, and basically just doesn't have the experience of life in America as an American, having nothing but wholehearted admiration for all things America does and opposes change or criticism of anything America does, is engaging in idle fanboyism in important issues issues (to us) when, as others have stated, you have no real skin in the game.
Completely off topic. My apologies to OP.
Koga no Goshi
I give my Nihon Maru to TosaInu in tribute.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Didn't mean any harm, sorry if it appeared that way. That really wasn't my intention.
@Koga No Goshi
It is no different here. Are you starving? Many are, these people that don't live 'here'. I find it quite distastefull to consider our problems to be problems. It's like searching for the highest building you can find and demanding another floor.
Last edited by Fragony; 10-01-2008 at 21:36.
Bookmarks