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[PanzerJaeger]

No it's not. It's just more biased in your direction. If you think somehow that MSNBC starting to lean left after years of Fox is the very beginning of any sort of imbalance in the media, I dunno what to say. I don't think righties would say the news was balanced unless it was all right-slanted like Fox is.

MSNBC is more subversive. Fox draws a line between their editorial personalities and their hard news guys.. MSNBC often blends this line..

For example, MSNBC had Matthews and Olbermann ancoring their convention coverage until the outcry was simply too much to ignore and they were relegated to where they should have been in the first place - commentators. It would be as if Fox had Hannity and Oreilly ancoring the Dem convention.

[Koga No Goshi]

MSNBC is more subversive. Fox draws a line between their editorial personalities and their hard news guys.. MSNBC often blends this line..

For example, MSNBC had Matthews and Olbermann ancoring their convention coverage until the outcry was simply too much to ignore and they were relegated to where they should have been in the first place - commentators. It would be as if Fox had Hannity and Oreilly ancoring the Dem convention.

Well, since there was immediate outcry it's not like they were sneaking it up on you, were they? Here's the thing. I ADMIT that MSNBC has slanted more left in the last few years. And it's only in the last few years that it's been noticeable. I don't really care that Fox wants to stump for the right, I guess I do care a little that it calls itself Fair and Balanced, but I think the only people who really believe that are conservatives.

What does bother me is the "redefining of truth" and the attempt to keep shoving the center anchor of gravity to the right. By denying over and over again that Fox has a clear conservative bent defies almost all the statistics and analysis of its coverage, how frequently it gives favorable coverage for right-wing viewpoints and negative or ganged-up-on coverage of left wing ones, etc., and saying "no no it's really neutral and in the middle", I consider it just psych warfare to try to define the middle as the right-wing. This is why today someone like Hillary Clinton, who is considered by many in the Dem party to be like, just 3 degrees shy of Lieberman in terms of her ties to the rich and corporate America and a very moderate/right economic philosophy, is still considered a "radically far left-wing San Francisco esque liberal" by the right. Because anything left of Lieberman is considered super radical left wing by you guys, it's like the middle/center got erased altogether. Well, actually, you guys just renamed your turf the middle. What's to the right of you, exactly? :) Timothy McVeigh's militia? :)

I think MSNBC starting to shift left is a natural evolution. Fox is not going anywhere. And Fox has been around for years. Until MSNBC in about the last two years started putting more left-wing commentators up into the lineup, the only venues for progressive viewpoints which weren't constantly being shouted down by like 3 conservative ones were a small handful of pay cable shows like Real Time, the Daily Show (which does not pretend to be serious journalism anyway, but is more serious journalism than a lot of "serious journalism") and then two radio stations when something like 90% of talk radio is right-wing. (And one of the two stations has a lot of management and financial problems and might not be around for long.)

You might recall, somewhat recently (well I'm getting my timeline messed up here, it's probably several months back now, I know it was well before the conventions) the righties had complained, and complained, and complained, and complained, about the "benevolent" coverage of Barack Obama in news. And then when they actually did a study, they found that Barack Obama was mentioned in a negative light more frequently than John McCain, and a majority of all comments about him made on mainstream news was negative. So it's like, um. What would be balanced to you guys? I sincerely feel like any viewpoint other than an obviously conservative one is, to you guys, too favorable to the left.