Veep Debate

[ICantSpellDawg]

Just curious — what would have to happen for you not to conclude that?

Good question. I think Palin had a great debate. I'll tell you flat out if I think she's embarrassing. Her debate style was disarming, aggressive and she was spot on in her accusations. What more could you wan't? She did very well.

I think Biden did very well, although he was very liberal with his facts. I trust his intentions. He is a net positive for me in this election, but I believe that he started out a bit weak and tired looking. He finished strong, but seemed to get riled up by Palin's more aggressive style.


What could she have done to make you agree with Panzer's point?

[Koga No Goshi]

Good question. I think Palin had a great debate. I'll tell you flat out if I think she's embarrassing. Her debate style was disarming, aggressive and she was spot on in her accusations. What more could you wan't? She did very well.

I think Biden did very well, although he was very liberal with his facts. I trust his intentions. He is a net positive for me in this election, but I believe that he started out a bit weak and tired looking. He finished strong, but seemed to get riled up by Palin's more aggressive style.


What could she have done to make you agree with Panzer's point?

I think they both did better than I (feared) they would. I thought Palin would have a blankout moment, but apparently she was trained to bluff through those by changing the subject. And not too many HARD specific questions were asked, many were broad ones and easily answered in abstract, although Biden brought in a lot of specific votes and names in his answers. Biden I was afraid would lose his temper, or make a bad gaffe or say something potentially demeaning like his "clean" remark about Obama way back upon a time.

I think it comes down less to the fact that Biden was clearly more experienced and had a grasp on a lot more history, because that could have just been expected based on how old he is and how long he's served compared to Palin. It comes down to Palin and McCain are out stumping and trying to salesman policies which don't differentiate substantially from the last 8 years, except in some faith promises that go against McCain's voting record. And that Obama and Biden are promising something very different (maybe not GOOD different to a lot of you, but different). So I think Palin or anyone really , McCain too, has an uphill battle trying to repackage the same ideological bents and sell them as truffles of change.

[Lemur]

What could she have done to make you agree with Panzer's point?

Well, I haven't watched the debate yet, and if it's a snoozer I may not spend two hours on it. The day only has so many hours in it, after all, and a working dad's gotta cut corners somewhere, even if I am a bit of a politics junkie.

I'm at a point where I don't think my opinion means much. I know which way I'm voting, and nothing short of a meltdown/scandal/Scanners-style-public-head-explosion is going to change my mind. I'm much more interested in the polling data on undecideds and indies.

It's hard for me to picture what would make me declare someone a winner or a loser from just watching a debate. I mean, these aren't really debates at all, and you can't view them as such. They're more like weird rituals of talk-talk that form a small part of our ju-ju magic and national popularity contest. I can't pretend to understand how this big, slow likeability trust-off works.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Well, I haven't watched the debate yet, and if it's a snoozer I may not spend two hours on it. The day only has so many hours in it, after all, and a working dad's gotta cut corners somewhere, even if I am a bit of a politics junkie.

I'm at a point where I don't think my opinion means much. I know which way I'm voting, and nothing short of a meltdown/scandal/Scanners-style-public-head-explosion is going to change my mind. I'm much more interested in the polling data on undecideds and indies.

It's hard for me to picture what would make me declare someone a winner or a loser from just watching a debate. I mean, these aren't really debates at all, and you can't view them as such. They're more like weird rituals of talk-talk that form a small part of our ju-ju magic and national popularity contest. I can't pretend to understand how this big, slow likeability trust-off works.

This was more of a debate than Obama-McCain.

[Strike For The South]

Palin said there was never anything she compromised on only things she couldn't push through. I will not vote for someone who thinks they are entitled to a mandate.

[Proletariat]

I will not vote for someone who thinks they are entitled to a mandate.

Hehe, adorable

[Strike For The South]

Hehe, adorable

Why? WHY? I understand they are all power hungry demagogues, This one just had the balls (or in this case ovaries) to say it. I've went back in forth but I think I'm just going to write in Han Solo

You're right Prole but still....She said it I mean comeeeee onnnnnn

[Proletariat]

Why? WHY? I understand they are all power hungry demagogues, This one just had the balls (or in this case ovaries) to say it. I've went back in forth but I think I'm just going to write in Han Solo

You're right Prole but still....She said it I mean comeeeee onnnnnn

Writing in Han Solo might just be as effective, but we owe it to ourselves this time around to really just write in Ron Paul.

I'm just surprised this time around the conservatives didn't try to trick me with the 'yeah, GWB is an idiot and everything, but if you vote for the other guy the SUPREME COURT IS AT STAKE!!'. I fell for that hard last time. Sorry.

these losers, turn back on your soccer or football, something that might actually matter in your personal lives. These debates are just another joke and it's embarrassing when you see smart people falling for it.

Btw, I've got a new recipe for grilling tri-tip that I'll post in the front room this weekend. It's a smash hit and it will actually be something tangible and worth pursuing this sunday, unlike this sham we stage every few years.

[Koga No Goshi]

Good idea Lemur, question being trasnferred to main election thread. Sorry any who already started typing an answer.

[Strike For The South]

Writing in Han Solo might just be as effective, but we owe it to ourselves this time around to really just write in Ron Paul.

I'm just surprised this time around the conservatives didn't try to trick me with the 'yeah, GWB is an idiot and everything, but if you vote for the other guy the SUPREME COURT IS AT STAKE!!'. I fell for that hard last time. Sorry.

Fuck these losers, turn back on your soccer or football, something that might actually matter in your personal lives. These debates are just another joke and it's embarrassing when you see smart people falling for it.

Btw, I've got a new recipe for grilling tri-tip that I'll post in the front room this weekend. It's a smash hit and it will actually be something tangible and worth pursuing this sunday, unlike this sham we stage every few years.

See when I come in with this kind of pessimism people yell at me and tell me murder is "illegal" I blame gender bias on the forum. As an 18 year old I went from being very excited to wanting to cut my wrists because of this. I really hate what my country is becoming and I want to change it but at the same time I have more important things to worry about like where my booze is coming from and if I should take the over under on the game on saturday. At the same time though we hafto ask ourselves when we stop pleasuring ourselves and start pleasuring others. My friends my family are all suckered into buzzwords and issues that really don't matter. We cant keep going on like this you know that...I mean unless you like socialism and debt with an oligarchy at the top. America is losing what once made it the greatest country ever created As I sit here and watch us descend into mediocrity and classism I just get sad

[Koga No Goshi]

Well, I haven't watched the debate yet, and if it's a snoozer I may not spend two hours on it. The day only has so many hours in it, after all, and a working dad's gotta cut corners somewhere, even if I am a bit of a politics junkie.

I'm at a point where I don't think my opinion means much. I know which way I'm voting, and nothing short of a meltdown/scandal/Scanners-style-public-head-explosion is going to change my mind. I'm much more interested in the polling data on undecideds and indies.

It's hard for me to picture what would make me declare someone a winner or a loser from just watching a debate. I mean, these aren't really debates at all, and you can't view them as such. They're more like weird rituals of talk-talk that form a small part of our ju-ju magic and national popularity contest. I can't pretend to understand how this big, slow likeability trust-off works.

Ooh, who you voting for? Or that too personal? :)

This was more of a debate than Obama-McCain.

I think it felt that way because they looked at each other while talking. But the back and forths were still basically arguments over their boss's voting records.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Ooh, who you voting for? Or that too personal? :)

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are you serious?

[Lemur]

This was more of a debate than Obama-McCain.

Does that mean I ought to take the time to watch it? I have this sneaky feeling that it isn't worth giving up any work time or play-with-kids time ...

Ooh, who you voting for? Or that too personal? :)

I'll give you twelve guesses and the first eleven don't count. Hint: My candidate's name rhymes with "yo mama."

[Koga No Goshi]

Does that mean I ought to take the time to watch it? I have this sneaky feeling that it isn't worth giving up any work time or play-with-kids time ...

I think it was worth it, Lemur. If you could sit through McCain-Obama, this one was worth it.

I'll give you twelve guesses and the first eleven don't count. Hint: My candidate's name rhymes with "yo mama."

I went to American public schools so I might have this screwed up but, YOU'RE VOTING FOR YO YO MA? THE VIOLINIST?!

[Proletariat]

That doesn't rhyme at all. Lemur is writing in 'Nobama', obviously

[Koga No Goshi]

That doesn't rhyme at all. Lemur is writing in 'Nobama', obviously

Huh? Noriega?