The compassion of socialism.

[InsaneApache]

Utterly disgusted with the policy of withdrawing treatment to cancer patients. Why? Well because they had the timerity to purchase a life saving drug and so had NHS support terminated.

All this to satisfy a political ideology. Outrageous. Another example of socialsm and fascism being two cheeks of the same arse.

A mother of three has died from cancer after her family was forced to pay £20,000 for treatment she was denied by the National Health Service because she had bought a drug privately.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882645.ece

[Fragony]

Once again it becomes obvious that socialism isn't compassion it's institutionalising all that's good about human nature. Love humanity hate the people.

[Strike For The South]

Once again it becomes obvious that socialism isn't compassion it's institutionalising all that's good about human nature. Love humanity hate the people.

Charity should come for other people not forced from the government

[Rhyfelwyr]

But when it doesn't....

[Strike For The South]

But when it doesn't....

Not my problem. People generally hate people these days yet look to the government for help. Its funny to me.

[rory_20_uk]

We all die. Some die as they haven't got clean water, others as they didn't get a tetanus jab, or malaria tablets. These interventions cost pence.

I personally think that the NHS should give the care it gives regardless of extras you might have decided to get; I don't think that the NHS should give out all new drugs unless they have been passed by NICE as at least then there is some appraisal based on value for money.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'm not entirely sure where the socialism comes in. Labour doggerel, perhaps, but when was the Labour party last socialist?

Surely socialism would have sucked you dry by taxation in order to provide whatever drugs were required, on demand, for as long and expensively as possible. Regardless of how much personal wealth the recipient had stashed away. Your story only shows a government pretending to supply universal healthcare, but actually penny-pinching in the finest tradition.

I am however, uplifted by the intimation that the market has proven so much more compassionate in every way.

[InsaneApache]

I'm not entirely sure where the socialism comes in. Labour doggerel, perhaps, but when was the Labour party last socialist?

Surely socialism would have sucked you dry by taxation in order to provide whatever drugs were required, on demand, for as long and expensively as possible. Regardless of how much personal wealth the recipient had stashed away. Your story only shows a government pretending to supply universal healthcare, but actually penny-pinching in the finest tradition.

I am however, uplifted by the intimation that the market has proven so much more compassionate in every way.

The socialism comes in the form of state healthcare free at the point of delivery. IE the NHS, set up after the Beveridge report. I'm aware that the treasury is not a bottomless pit and that not everything can be afforded.

My point is that the terminally ill patients are being punished for 'topping up' their healthcare via private means. To withdraw all NHS treatment because a person dying of cancer decides that they might like to live a bit longer is outrageous. After all, this is done in the name of avoiding a two tier healthcare system, (when was the last time a government minister went NHS?) which is the credo of the political left.

We all know that our Great Leader is a wassock. Now he's a murdering wassock at the alter of equality. Nasty.

In Capitalististan, the government would gladly pay their inhabitant's health care? My, we are confused

I am after that post. Did you read the article?

[Viking]

I am after that post. Did you read the article?

No, I thought that your quote would cover the basics.

Socialism sounds more like denying people to pay more, rather than making people who pay more, pay even more. In Capitalististan, the government would pay nought in support. You complain not about socialism in itself, but the way socialism works in the UK with regards to NHS, no?

[CountArach]

I'm not entirely sure where the socialism comes in. Labour doggerel, perhaps, but when was the Labour party last socialist?

GFT.

[Ice]

Charity should come for other people not forced from the government

You seem to have developed that libertarian streak I had during my first couple years of college.

[Strike For The South]

You seem to have developed that libertarian streak I had during my first couple years of college.

I've always felt this way.

[Viking]

Utterly disgusted with the policy of withdrawing treatment to cancer patients. Why? Well because they had the timerity to purchase a life saving drug and so had NHS support terminated.

All this to satisfy a political ideology. Outrageous. Another example of socialsm and fascism being two cheeks of the same arse.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882645.ece

In Capitalististan, the government would gladly pay their inhabitant's health care? My, we are confused.

[KarlXII]

In Capitalististan, the government would gladly pay their inhabitant's health care? My, we are confused.

They'd also pay off student loans, car payments, and dog's surgery.

[Koga No Goshi]

Utterly disgusted with the policy of withdrawing treatment to cancer patients. Why? Well because they had the timerity to purchase a life saving drug and so had NHS support terminated.

All this to satisfy a political ideology. Outrageous. Another example of socialsm and fascism being two cheeks of the same arse.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882645.ece

This sounds like a crappy situation, but you honestly believe that privately paid insurance models are any better? I can tell you a lot of stories to the contrary. People winding up having to pay huge sums even when insured and/or losing a house over medical problems is pretty common in the U.S.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Wikipedia does not know all, Redleg.

One definition of socialism is indeed the economic one, as quoted above. But the idea that everyone should be helped by society at large is also socialist in conception.

And nobody should be forced to pay for treatment that is ordinaraly subsidised, due to paying for extra treatment, its ridiculous.

Got to rush, be back later with more solid opinion.

[Redleg]

Wikipedia does not know all, Redleg.

LOL your beginning to sound like someone else.

One definition of socialism is indeed the economic one, as quoted above. But the idea that everyone should be helped by society at large is also socialist in conception.

Actually socialism doesnt talk about helping everyone at large, it states something about equality - which is what the word mentioned in the second part of my post refers to. But I will play along provide a source that states socialism is about compassion for everyone.

And nobody should be forced to pay for treatment that is ordinaraly subsidised, due to paying for extra treatment, its ridiculous.

Your at the mercy of the state on certain things with socialized medicine, personally I dont know which system is better or worse, both have some major faults that must be retificied if a true compassionate system is to be

[Kadagar_AV]

Is socialism perfect? NO!

is capitalism more caring of their citizens? Hardly.

case closed.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Is socialism perfect? NO!

is capitalism more caring of their citizens? Hardly.

case closed.

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

[CountArach]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

[Strike For The South]

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

Its not about caring It's about government control of private citizens.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

I'd say it is more caring.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...ves_to_charity
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
http://digg.com/politics/Conservativ..._Than_Liberals

[Koga No Goshi]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility only ever applies if you're poor. Period.

[Redleg]

Personal responsibility only ever applies if you're poor. Period.

Incorrect. Personal responsiblity applies to all. Now if your arguement is about how the legal system applies that standard then you have to actually begin to demonstrate it. A good examble is in the bail out thread.


Now socialized medicine has an element of personal responsibility also. Just like any other system, all have the personal responsiblity to insure they take care of their body and therefor their health. You can not give that responsiblity to the state had remain free.

[Kadagar_AV]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility... for getting cancer? For losing your arm when hit by a car? Or what?

I am 100% in favour of personal responsibility... If some fat who weights 160kg has heart problems he should pay it himself, or die while eating more hamburgers.

If someone overdoses from heroine, let the die.

However, if someone is not at fault for whatever happens to them, the state SHOULD have an obligation to take care of him/her.

No?

[Koga No Goshi]

Personal responsibility... for getting cancer? For losing your arm when hit by a car? Or what?

I am 100% in favour of personal responsibility... If some fat who weights 160kg has heart problems he should pay it himself, or die while eating more hamburgers.

If someone overdoses from heroine, let the die.

However, if someone is not at fault for whatever happens to them, the state SHOULD have an obligation to take care of him/her.

No?

Personal responsibility in questions of medical care always seems to translate into "whatever your condition, it's up to you to pay for it." I would only agree in cases like plastic or cosmetic surgery. Other than that telling a poor couple to take full personal responsibility for their son being born with a defective heart valve is not very moral or enlightened.

[Strike For The South]

No. I also find it very funny the same people who want more social liberalism want more government control over there lives. It is an odd mindset

[Incongruous]

Utterly disgusted with the policy of withdrawing treatment to cancer patients. Why? Well because they had the timerity to purchase a life saving drug and so had NHS support terminated.

All this to satisfy a political ideology. Outrageous. Another example of socialsm and fascism being two cheeks of the same arse.



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4882645.ece

Umm, since when has New Labour been aquainted with anything other than the ideology of bollocks and its fervent enactment by The Great Blair and Comrade Brown?