nobel peace prize winners that werent deserved

[Hooahguy]

list the top person who didnt deserve it:
Al Gore (2007)
reason:
what? al gore for peace? he preached global warming!
to quote the nobel peace prize site,
"for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

good for him, but how did that work for the peace of mankind?
at least arafat, who may have been a huge terrorist, did more for peace than al gore did that i know of....

he should have gotten it for science of something- not peace...

[CountArach]

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39927

Just saying...

[Fragony]

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

[Strike For The South]

Any one given to any American /drunk

[Koga No Goshi]

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

You missed that thread, I see?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106830

Anyways, global warming is always a fun debate.

[Fragony]

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

Just the village idiot

[Gregoshi]

Just the village idiot

The election was rigged. I should have won.

[HoreTore]

good for him, but how did that work for the peace of mankind?

Read the rest of their commentary, and you might just understand why they gave it to him

It's really the same reasoning they had when they gave it to Mother Theresa. They give the peace prize to two kinds of people; those who sign the peace deals themselves, and those who work with the underlying causes of war, like poverty, injustice and, in al gore's case, scarce resources.

[PanzerJaeger]

Does anyone still put any stock in the Nobel Peace Prize? When I win, I'll put it on the mantle next to my Emmy...

[Viking]

men can't change climate.

Believing that the man made CO2 increase is not the cause of the recent global warming is one thing; but that is just ridiculous.

Let me put it this way: when you put on your oven in the winter, you heat your local climate, which in this case is indoors. QED.

[Fragony]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

[Viking]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Hmm, now then, where does the energy ultimately come from that CO2 can reflect back to Earth? Either way, my comment was not related to GW. Hf.

[Koga No Goshi]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Men can change climate, though, Fragony. Detonate 100 or so nuclear weapons in the world and you will see it happen right away. The carbon released into the atmosphere is doing the job much more gradually, but nevertheless, it's foolish to say we are incapable of affecting the climate.

[Fragony]

Ok good because earth isn't warming. ty. Will do.

@Kago No Goshi, ok if you put it that way, ok. But as it is we are a pimple on earths butt that isn't even big enough for an itch.

[Viking]

Men can change climate, though, Fragony. Detonate 100 or so nuclear weapons in the world and you will see it happen right away. The carbon released into the atmosphere is doing the job much more gradually, but nevertheless, it's foolish to say we are incapable of affecting the climate.

A better example indeed.

[Viking]

Ok good because earth isn't warming. ty. Will do.

Will ya please skip changing topic all the time?

@Kago No Goshi, ok if you put it that way, ok. But as it is we are a pimple on earths butt that isn't even big enough for an itch.

And just what tells you that (see if you actually can come up with something)? Do you not believe in the ozon hoax either? Clearing of rain forests do not really occur? Certain important species of fish have not been near-exterminated? Animals do not die out because of humans?

[Fragony]

Will ya please skip changing topic all the time?

Am I? It's about nobel prices that are bull and this is double bull because it's a bull price he got for bull. Right on track tuut tuut

[Viking]

Am I? It's about nobel prices that are bull and this is double bull because it's a bull price he got for bull. Right on track tuut tuut

Whenever I attempt to refute your stance, you change [sub] topic. And you just did it again. Congrats.

If the Earth is heating, I think time is the best way to tell. Ya know, the IPCC are rather aware of that the climate is not static, and that we thus should not expect a linear increase in the average global temperature as there are other factors in the working here than just CO2.

[Fragony]

Whenever I attempt to refute your stance, you change [sub] topic. And you just did it again. Congrats.

If the Earth is heating, I think time is the best way to tell. Ya know, the IPCC are rather aware of that the climate is not static, and that we thus should not expect a linear increase in the average global temperature as there are other factors in the working here than just CO2.

How come I just like to add some flavour, I am rather clear about what I say, men isn't capable of changing climate unless we take Kago No Goshi rather draconian example, and I say that the earth is in fact not warming up at the moment which is a fact. Time already did tell that climate can change and that was before any hummer came of the assembly-line. I mean even Al Gore doesn't really believe it given his electricity bill or it is a classic example of do as I say not as I do, making the price even more rediculous.

[Viking]

How come I just like to add some flavour, I am rather clear about what I say, men isn't capable of changing climate unless we take Kago No Goshi rather draconian example

Yes, you are perfectly clear, but you do not meet criticism; you ignore it.

, and I say that the earth is in fact not warming up at the moment which is a fact.

In the larger picture, it doesn't matter. We'll see if the heating resumes.

Time already did tell that climate can change and that was before any hummer came of the assembly-line. I mean even Al Gore doesn't really believe it given his electricity bill or it is a classic example of do as I say not as I do, making the price even more rediculous.

Yep, but modern science indicates that man too is capable of affecting the climate on a grand scale. Yeah, you got a point that Al Gore do not really seem too keen to fix the problem, and that he so does not seem like the ultimate example of someone worthy of the prize.

[Fragony]

Yes, you are perfectly clear, but you do not meet criticism; you ignore it.

If you mean this; Hmm, now then, where does the energy ultimately come from that CO2 can reflect back to Earth?

I have absolutily no idea

[Viking]

If you mean this; Hmm, now then, where does the energy ultimately come from that CO2 can reflect back to Earth?

I have absolutily no idea

I mean all of my attempts on refutation so far in this thread.

The energy comes from the sun, and the CO2 alters the energy balance here on Earth through radiating back the infrared radiaton that Earth's surface sends out. At daytime, most of this energy comes from solar radiation while at night it's only the surface in itself.

To show that the greenhouse effect actually works, let me quote this wiki text which I believe is fairly accurate:

Venus has an extremely dense atmosphere, which consists mainly of carbon dioxide and a small amount of nitrogen. The atmospheric mass is 93 times that of Earth's atmosphere while the pressure at the planet's surface is about 92 times that at Earth's surface—a pressure equivalent to that at a depth of nearly 1 kilometer under Earth's oceans. The density at the surface is 65 kg/m³ (6.5% that of water). The enormously CO2-rich atmosphere, along with thick clouds of sulfur dioxide, generates the strongest greenhouse effect in the solar system, creating surface temperatures of over 460 °C.[19] This makes Venus's surface much hotter than Mercury's which has a minimum surface temperature of -220 °C and maximum surface temperature of 420 °C, even though Venus is nearly twice Mercury's distance from the Sun and receives only 25% of Mercury's solar irradiance.

[Louis VI the Fat]

al gore for peace? he preached global warming!


he should have gotten it for science of something- not peace...

Just to be a pest:
if you believe that Al Gore deserved a science nobel prize - that is, if he is right about his assertions - then he certainly deserved the peace prize.

If Gore's alarmist assertions are right, then it is but a small step to accept that climate change is one of the biggest threats to peace and stability.


@Frag
You are reversing the religious argument from the 'repent, sinners' crowd. They claim that mankind is punished for its sinful ways, and will be visited upon by multiple plagues: droughts, vulcanoes, earthquakes, heatwaves etc. It is neo-Christian eschatology. Only a return to a pre-modern, more moral time will save humanity anymore. This is but the latest installment of two-thousand year old fears to progress and change.

You, on the other hand, believe in another remnant of a (pre-?) Christian, maybe pagan, worldview: that of tiny man, powerless before the forces of nature. Forces we'll never understand, who function independently of us, poor creatures dwelling in an unforgiven world. Nothing we do will change anything, and we just have to pray for the continued blessing of our gods, animistic. The God of Thunder might be placated, but he can't be tamed.


Of course man influences climate. With every fart you make you've just changed the earth's climate. The earth's biosphere has created the earth's climate hundreds of millions of years before man. Bacteria and algae, and photosynthesising leaves, and termites, and methane farting dinosaurs - all have had a huge impact. Plant and animal life does not change climate, it is responsible for the earth's climate.

[InsaneApache]

I stopped farting for lent.

[Fragony]

@viking

Let's take the whole thing into consideration, there are continents drifting, meaning energy-projecting back from different places, planetary allignments affecting oceanic flows, one busy place this little clay grown tall. Probably the biggest natural (edit:cough forgot thay big rock) disaster that ever happened was +/- 3000 BC near Greece, a major vulcano, tree-rings from that period show a 2 year ' slow', but tree rings from the same period found in America show no difference whatsoever, was a pretty local affair ultimatily. What I mean, there is way too much going on to make claim such as man-made global warming, when you consider the effects of the bigger picture it's like selling a cough downing a house made of bricks.

You, on the other hand, believe in another remnant of a (pre-?) Christian, maybe pagan, worldview: that of tiny man, powerless before the forces of nature. Forces we'll never understand, who function independently of us, poor creatures dwelling in an unforgiven world. Nothing we do will change anything, and we just have to pray for the continued blessing of our gods, animistic. The God of Thunder might be placated, but he can't be tamed.

Yep. And I sure as hell don't want to be taxed for it. Let's take the acid rain hoax, where is it now. The same problem apparently still exist yet it miraculously dissappeared from the radar, fatigue thing, they sucked every inch out of it and now we have the global warming hoax.

ps, been following the discussion on emmision rights? That 700 billion is peanuts compared to the amount of money that will circulate there, it's theft plain and simple.

[Viking]

@viking

Let's take the whole thing into consideration, there are continents drifting, meaning energy-projecting back from different places, planetary allignments affecting oceanic flows, one busy place this little clay grown tall. Probably the biggest natural (edit:cough forgot thay big rock) disaster that ever happened was +/- 3000 BC near Greece, a major vulcano, tree-rings from that period show a 2 year ' slow', but tree rings from the same period found in America show no difference whatsoever, was a pretty local affair ultimatily. What I mean, there is way too much going on to make claim such as man-made global warming, when you consider the effects of the bigger picture it's like selling a cough downing a house made of bricks.

The energy released from Earth's interior is compared to the energy that Earth receives from sunlight not really significant. Change in sea currents could have global effects, but we have yet to observe such changes.

There's a lot of stuff going on, but not everything is equally relevant.

[Fragony]

Change in sea currents could have global effects, but we have yet to observe such changes.

Melting of the northpole is one for instance, pretty cold there even in the summer it isn't the temperature of the air that makes it melt or do you thing it does? Because that would bring is back at the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 liter of water with one degree celsius. Just the moon alone makes for temporary rise and fall of the sea-level each and every day and that is a lot of water, and the centrifugial powers of planetary allignment wouldn't have any effect? The earth doesn't make a perfect circle around the sun it is pulled and let go all the time.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Yep. And I sure as hell don't want to be taxed for it. Let's take the acid rain hoax, where is it now. The same problem apparently still exist yet it miraculously dissappeared from the radar, fatigue thing, they sucked every inch out of it and now we have the global warming hoax.

Acid Rain pollution was mostly halted when businesses patented PCB replacements. Industry now had an incentive to halt further use of PCB's. Overnight, acid rain was mostly solved.

Similarly, one scientific breakthrough by big oil, and they'll turn overnight from anti-global warming propagandists, to pro-global warming alarmists. Just like industry and the US government did with Acid Rain.


This might work for those under the spell of the misinformation of corporate sponsored mis-information, and their lobbied-into-submission governments:
What was the state of the ecology of the former Communist states? Was communism responsible for an ecological disaster or not?
If it was, does that not show that human action can be responsible for grave ecological disaster?

[Fragony]

//slaps Luigi, playful yet firmly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax

That was fun, but acid rain was nothing more then a lack of groundwater.