nobel peace prize winners that werent deserved

[Hooahguy]

list the top person who didnt deserve it:
Al Gore (2007)
reason:
what? al gore for peace? he preached global warming!
to quote the nobel peace prize site,
"for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change"

good for him, but how did that work for the peace of mankind?
at least arafat, who may have been a huge terrorist, did more for peace than al gore did that i know of....

he should have gotten it for science of something- not peace...

[CountArach]

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39927

Just saying...

[Fragony]

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

[Strike For The South]

Any one given to any American /drunk

[Koga No Goshi]

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

You missed that thread, I see?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106830

Anyways, global warming is always a fun debate.

[Fragony]

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

Just the village idiot

[Gregoshi]

Just the village idiot

The election was rigged. I should have won.

[Viking]

men can't change climate.

Believing that the man made CO2 increase is not the cause of the recent global warming is one thing; but that is just ridiculous.

Let me put it this way: when you put on your oven in the winter, you heat your local climate, which in this case is indoors. QED.

[Fragony]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

[Viking]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Hmm, now then, where does the energy ultimately come from that CO2 can reflect back to Earth? Either way, my comment was not related to GW. Hf.

[Koga No Goshi]

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Men can change climate, though, Fragony. Detonate 100 or so nuclear weapons in the world and you will see it happen right away. The carbon released into the atmosphere is doing the job much more gradually, but nevertheless, it's foolish to say we are incapable of affecting the climate.

[HoreTore]

good for him, but how did that work for the peace of mankind?

Read the rest of their commentary, and you might just understand why they gave it to him

It's really the same reasoning they had when they gave it to Mother Theresa. They give the peace prize to two kinds of people; those who sign the peace deals themselves, and those who work with the underlying causes of war, like poverty, injustice and, in al gore's case, scarce resources.

[PanzerJaeger]

Does anyone still put any stock in the Nobel Peace Prize? When I win, I'll put it on the mantle next to my Emmy...

[Louis VI the Fat]

al gore for peace? he preached global warming!


he should have gotten it for science of something- not peace...

Just to be a pest:
if you believe that Al Gore deserved a science nobel prize - that is, if he is right about his assertions - then he certainly deserved the peace prize.

If Gore's alarmist assertions are right, then it is but a small step to accept that climate change is one of the biggest threats to peace and stability.


@Frag
You are reversing the religious argument from the 'repent, sinners' crowd. They claim that mankind is punished for its sinful ways, and will be visited upon by multiple plagues: droughts, vulcanoes, earthquakes, heatwaves etc. It is neo-Christian eschatology. Only a return to a pre-modern, more moral time will save humanity anymore. This is but the latest installment of two-thousand year old fears to progress and change.

You, on the other hand, believe in another remnant of a (pre-?) Christian, maybe pagan, worldview: that of tiny man, powerless before the forces of nature. Forces we'll never understand, who function independently of us, poor creatures dwelling in an unforgiven world. Nothing we do will change anything, and we just have to pray for the continued blessing of our gods, animistic. The God of Thunder might be placated, but he can't be tamed.


Of course man influences climate. With every fart you make you've just changed the earth's climate. The earth's biosphere has created the earth's climate hundreds of millions of years before man. Bacteria and algae, and photosynthesising leaves, and termites, and methane farting dinosaurs - all have had a huge impact. Plant and animal life does not change climate, it is responsible for the earth's climate.

[InsaneApache]

I stopped farting for lent.