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Just saying...

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

Any one given to any American /drunk

Originally Posted by Fragony

It took a long time before people realised the earth is round, hopefully it won't take such a long time to realise that men can't change climate. Booing into submission at least terrorists exist.

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

You missed that thread, I see?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=106830

Anyways, global warming is always a fun debate.

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Fragony, in seriousness are you like.... the most right-wing person in the whole Netherlands? :) You put even some of the most ideologically right-wing Americans I know to shame for perfectly lockstepping with every talking point. ;) Every other forum I've been on, it's always a clique of Americans arguing with the "mindlessly America-bashing Europeans", on this one I find you're walking almost every single good American neocon line. It's rather strange.

Just the village idiot

Originally Posted by Fragony

Just the village idiot

The election was rigged. I should have won.

Originally Posted by Fragony

men can't change climate.

Believing that the man made CO2 increase is not the cause of the recent global warming is one thing; but that is just ridiculous.

Let me put it this way: when you put on your oven in the winter, you heat your local climate, which in this case is indoors. QED.

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Originally Posted by Fragony

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Hmm, now then, where does the energy ultimately come from that CO2 can reflect back to Earth? Either way, my comment was not related to GW. Hf.

Ok good because earth isn't warming. ty. Will do.

@Kago No Goshi, ok if you put it that way, ok. But as it is we are a pimple on earths butt that isn't even big enough for an itch.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Ok good because earth isn't warming. ty. Will do.

Will ya please skip changing topic all the time?

@Kago No Goshi, ok if you put it that way, ok. But as it is we are a pimple on earths butt that isn't even big enough for an itch.

And just what tells you that (see if you actually can come up with something)? Do you not believe in the ozon hoax either? Clearing of rain forests do not really occur? Certain important species of fish have not been near-exterminated? Animals do not die out because of humans?

Originally Posted by Fragony

Ok good because earth isn't warming. ty. Will do.

@Kago No Goshi, ok if you put it that way, ok. But as it is we are a pimple on earths butt that isn't even big enough for an itch.

This was true when humanity existed in homeostatic sized groups like every other mammal. It changed with agriculture and settled civilization, and accelerated with industrialization and the exponential growth of our population. To say that our population can never possibly do anything against the magnificent vast greatness of nature is dubious considering that we exist in populations far larger than any other mammal in terms of balance of population:resources or population:landmass or populatoin:ecological footprint. There is a natural cycle of heating and cooling, yes, with higher and lower carbon contents in the atmosphere. The difference is, we are mass releasing all at once (in the big timeframe of things) carbon which has been removed from the atmosphere and condensed underground over the course of millenia. I do not see how anyone could think this would have absolutely zero effect given that we know carbon content is tied to temperature and climate.

Originally Posted by Fragony

Let me put it this way, studies have shown that in some places the ocean is actually warming up, for exmaple, at the northpole, do you know how much energy it costs to make 1 liter of water rise 1 degree celsius in temperature? Now take an ocean, yeah the air must have done it

Men can change climate, though, Fragony. Detonate 100 or so nuclear weapons in the world and you will see it happen right away. The carbon released into the atmosphere is doing the job much more gradually, but nevertheless, it's foolish to say we are incapable of affecting the climate.

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

Men can change climate, though, Fragony. Detonate 100 or so nuclear weapons in the world and you will see it happen right away. The carbon released into the atmosphere is doing the job much more gradually, but nevertheless, it's foolish to say we are incapable of affecting the climate.

A better example indeed.