The compassion of socialism.

[Kadagar_AV]

Is socialism perfect? NO!

is capitalism more caring of their citizens? Hardly.

case closed.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Is socialism perfect? NO!

is capitalism more caring of their citizens? Hardly.

case closed.

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

[CountArach]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

[Strike For The South]

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

Its not about caring It's about government control of private citizens.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

That isn't more caring though. Whether or not you believe it is a good thing, you must admit it is less caring.

I'd say it is more caring.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...ves_to_charity
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
http://digg.com/politics/Conservativ..._Than_Liberals

[CountArach]

I'd say it is more caring.

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnS...ves_to_charity
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html
http://digg.com/politics/Conservativ..._Than_Liberals

That's not the government doing it.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

That's not the government doing it.

No, it is the individual against socialism that is doing it.

[Koga No Goshi]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility only ever applies if you're poor. Period.

[Redleg]

Personal responsibility only ever applies if you're poor. Period.

Incorrect. Personal responsiblity applies to all. Now if your arguement is about how the legal system applies that standard then you have to actually begin to demonstrate it. A good examble is in the bail out thread.


Now socialized medicine has an element of personal responsibility also. Just like any other system, all have the personal responsiblity to insure they take care of their body and therefor their health. You can not give that responsiblity to the state had remain free.

[Kadagar_AV]

Capitalism does emphasize this nice little thing called personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility... for getting cancer? For losing your arm when hit by a car? Or what?

I am 100% in favour of personal responsibility... If some fat who weights 160kg has heart problems he should pay it himself, or die while eating more hamburgers.

If someone overdoses from heroine, let the die.

However, if someone is not at fault for whatever happens to them, the state SHOULD have an obligation to take care of him/her.

No?

[Koga No Goshi]

Personal responsibility... for getting cancer? For losing your arm when hit by a car? Or what?

I am 100% in favour of personal responsibility... If some fat who weights 160kg has heart problems he should pay it himself, or die while eating more hamburgers.

If someone overdoses from heroine, let the die.

However, if someone is not at fault for whatever happens to them, the state SHOULD have an obligation to take care of him/her.

No?

Personal responsibility in questions of medical care always seems to translate into "whatever your condition, it's up to you to pay for it." I would only agree in cases like plastic or cosmetic surgery. Other than that telling a poor couple to take full personal responsibility for their son being born with a defective heart valve is not very moral or enlightened.

[Strike For The South]

No. I also find it very funny the same people who want more social liberalism want more government control over there lives. It is an odd mindset

[Koga No Goshi]

No. I also find it very funny the same people who want more social liberalism want more government control over there lives. It is an odd mindset

How does that follow? I don't want the state to tell me I can't have an operation but I don't like an HMO or insurance company telling me that either.

[Strike For The South]

How does that follow? I don't want the state to tell me I can't have an operation but I don't like an HMO or insurance company telling me that either.

Well I guess that begs the question how much do you want? Socialism is the ultimate affront to the citizen. Government control disguised as charity.

[Kadagar_AV]

Well I guess that begs the question how much do you want? Socialism is the ultimate affront to the citizen. Government control disguised as charity.

I live in a socialistic state... Contrary to YOUR country we can not be jailed without evidence, the state does not have the right to read our E-mail traffic...

Care to explain again why capitalism is better?

And also, comparing contrys and ideologies is two different things...

I went along with the charade only to please the VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT ruleset of this topic...

[Koga No Goshi]

Well I guess that begs the question how much do you want? Socialism is the ultimate affront to the citizen. Government control disguised as charity.

I think you are confusing Socialism and Communism, Strike. I don't know where this component of "the state controls your life and tells you what to do" comes into the discussion. I just think we all have a common stake in the common welfare of our country and that the individualistic free market attitude of "get as much as possible while paying the least back in as possible" is not good, and is less than forgiveable in the richest nation on earth if it means people lose their homes because of cancer (not because of reckless spending or whatever.)

m not comparing countries amigo. My country is ruled by a self perpetuating oligarchy. Crippling taxation, removing the citizens right to choose, red tape up the rear. Socialism by definition invites the government into your home. I do not need a government with power much less allot of it

You think we pay more taxes than a lot of European countries?