Concert of Europe

[Csargo]

Great chapter Franc!

Are the French and OE at war now?

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

From the French Court:
Then France wants in on the deal to. After all, you bankrupt my nations by telling me lies saying I would get ahead by fighting England. I just killed 20,000 of your troops, and I still can kill more if I wanted to.


Perhaps you could give up Greece to England and France? England gets the land and I get a military/trade port there or vice versa?


Charles X, King of France.

Quite the laugh. No, I am not giving you anything. If you plan on continuing this atrtack then I swear I will make you bleed for it, something I might add, you can not afford.

[Peasant Phill]

Let me be the first to acknowledge the newly formed Islamic Caliphate of the Levant. I hereby invite the leader(s) of this new nation to accept a closer economical and diplomatic relationship with Egypt.

[Prince Cobra]

I am glad that the crisis in Russia is finally over and Czar Nicholas showed to all the rebellious elements who is the rightful ruler of his Empire. Let this be a lesson to all who dare to rise against their ruler. It also seems that the Spanish rebels has been taught a good lesson and the peace on Iberia has been restored. Whilst the news from St. Petersburg and Cadiz are good, the same can not be said for the news coming from France, Egypt and the Ottoman Empire. I think the idea of the Bavarian King could be extremely helpful in such a delicate moment.

What do you, gentlemen, think about a meeting in Munich, Bavaria?

Prince von Metternich, Chancellor of Austria

[Warluster]

The Netherlands also wishes to recognise the new nation within the Levant, and wish to recognize that all trade routes and trade cities are, and hopefully will be, open both ways.

We are unsettled by the brutal murder in Spain by the French army. I think that the actions of the French King, murdering so many people, is disgraceful. At the same time the bankruptcy of the Ottoman Empire and France is a cause for a Congress, and I would commend a Congress In Munich. The Dutch Empire is rich in resources, and we are willing to financially help any baknrupt nations with loans, or if need be we will happily fund any expedtions. If the Ottoman Empire or France have any negotating regarding loans I will be happy to hear them out.

I also wish to announce that the city of Zanzibar is now under Dutch colonial rule. We hope that other nations will recognize and support this claim.

King William,
King of the Netherlands and Belgium,

The news of the fall of Cadiz is comforting and I hope this contributes to a even more peaceful future.

[Prince Cobra]

The Danube Monarchy can not approve the terror over the peaceful Christian subjects and the destruction of holy churches. This state seriously destabilises the Near East and therefore, Austria will not recognise the so called "Caliphate".

Prince von Metternich, Chancellor of Austria

[King Jan III Sobieski]

We accept to a meeting in Bavaria. We are also deciding on the Levant issue. We like to support them because of how good Egypt been to us, but I do not like to offend my Austrian allies though.


Charles X, King of France.

[Prince Cobra]

I will be a bit slow in replying. Hopefully, this will happen during the following days.

[Peasant Phill]

Herr von Metternich,

Mind emptying your inbox. It's hard to do bilateral diplomacy when I can't send any PM's.

[Prince Cobra]

Die Österreiche Regierung wollen in dem Münichen Konferenz teilnehmen. Ich höffe, dass ich sich mit dem Represänten von anderem Staaten da treffen.

Kanzler Klemens Wenzel,
Fürst von Metternich

The Austrian government wishes to participate in the Munich Conference. I hope that I will meet the representatives of the other states there.

Chancellor Klemens Wenzel,
Prince von Metternich

[Franconicus]

The King of Bavaria invites all European nations to join to a meeting at Munich.
It will start in September, we could have a party end ogf Sept., maybe we call it OKTOBERFEST.
Observers from Egypt and the Ottoman Empire are welcome!

Here is the agenda:
1) Financial Problems and how to solve them
2) How to construct a system to prevent military conflicts
3) How to fight repuublican ideas.
4) the dangerous situation at France
5) the future of Greece

Rules:
There shall be open discussions (at the thread) as well as private ones (pm).
At the end there shall be a formal treaty. No one shall release any info to the press before the end.

Please confirm and tell me which persons you are going to send.

Looing forward!

[Peasant Phill]

We, the Sultan Of Egypt and Protector of Crete, are honoured to receive an invitation for the meeting at Munich. I'm confident that my status as observer will still elnd me the power to debate with the other state representatives.
As such I will go myself as prove for my investment in the European peace and prosperity.

Sultan Muhamed Ali

[King Jan III Sobieski]

From the French Court:


I will attend the meeting at Munich along with Marshal Beguared, hero of the Spanish campaign. He will only attend to speak about what he faced in Spain with the Republicans and their ideas.


I am also honored to attend this meeting in Munich. I hope all nations send people to attend!



Charles X, King of France.

[Csargo]

The Prussian monarch will be attending the meeting in Munich.

[Franconicus]

Here are the financial numbers you need for the meeting:

Austria: debt 98 mio, income next year 15 mio
Prussia: debt 153 mio, income ny 13 mio
Russia: debt 195 mio, income 7 mio
Otto: debt 87 mio, income 7
England: debt 173 mio, 12 mio
Netherlands: debt 12 mio, income 10 mio
Egypt: debt 38 mio, income 3.5 mio
France: debt 192 mio, income 6 mio


In his opening speach, Ludwig I, King of Bayern, blames France, England and Russia for ruining the economy with their uncontrolled expenses and silly desire of fruitless wars. Esp. France remains a permanet threat for peace, order and wealth.
He suggests, that these three countries should have to cut their expenses and increase taxes so that they will be able to pay half of their debts within 5 years.

He also suggests to sign a treaty, that all campaign against foreign countries have to be approoved by the concert of five and that the big five should be able to punish any agressor.
The concert should also watch rebels all over Europe and do what is necessary to guarantee order.

Regarding Greece, Ludwig thinks that it is time that it leaves the Ottoman Empire and becomes a Christian Kingdom.

[King Kurt]

Lord Canning is pleased to announce that he will attend the Congress and also tables that he wishes to discuss the issue of that hot bed of republicianism and slavery the USA as well as the other issues already tabled.

[Warluster]

The Dutch - Belgian Kingdom will also be attending the conference in a hope to stop Europe from falling into a serious crisis.

I agree with King Ludwig's analysis of the situation we have fallen into. The pointless, destructive mainland wars of larger powers has increased financial problems for the entirety of Europe. I also disagree with the idea of a collection of larger nations being bound by law to restrict wars. While this may sound like a contradiction to my previous statement; it is that the flaws of human nature can easily courrpt such a assembly. The advantages of a concert, such as the one which exsists, is that if nations war the same restrictions are in place but the course of action is not decided by *possibly* courrpt nations.

A more sound idea would be to have the entire Concert of Europe, major and minor nations, to have the powers to certify and refuse wars and other such violent acts or events. This will mean that courrption is less of a problem, favourtism is less of a problem, and the true colours of a war would be brought out.

King William,
King of the Netherlands, King of Belgium, Grand Duke of Luxembourg,

[King Jan III Sobieski]

From the French King:



It is a honor to be invited to this meeting .to solve our problems. I will agree with King Ludwig’s analysis, but there is one thing I think my fellow Kings,Emperors and Sultans do not understand. War is a expensive luxury. When I first intervene in Spain to help fight the rebels, I already short on supplies and was warned my debt was rising…. Just for my Spanish intervention. And my debt went though the roof of Versailles when I was foolishly led into the war with England. And now I am left with debt, with most nations not offering me any aid expect for the Dutch, and that is only for loans. I demanded compensation from the Spanish King and he denied. I am offended. So I saved him from potently being executed, and I spend millions of talers along with 20% losses of my Spanish Army, and this is what I get? Criticism? I think half of the debt should be erased so we can focus on paying off the other half and for helping our people get jobs and improving advancements in certain industry’s.


I made my point on that. Onwards my friends!


I think it be a bad idea to have a collection of nations, I must agree with my Dutch friend with this. I think this is a real good idea for rebellions and uprisings, like in Spain, or my nation a few years ago, but not for anything else. What do you think would happen if we Criticize the English for fighting the Americans, especially burning down their towns? War will break out between all of us. I am no fool. I know the tensions between Austria and England for example, or France and the Ottomans.



For the Republican ideas, I think we should allow people to express themselves, but punish any uprisings harshly.




And for Greece, I firmly believe Greece should be independent.




Charles X, King of France.






From the Marshal:




I personally was in Spain fighting the rebels. I see how they fought. They were enthusiastic, but not very well trained expect for the professional troops in their service. They were fighting for a cause. I believe that people should not be treated to harshly, like my King said. I am not saying you grant independent status, God no. Just make sure you don’t press certain people the wrong way. That is how Napoleon came to power. That is how the Spanish King was almost executed.




Marshal Beuguard

[Prince Cobra]

Chancellor von Metternich personally arrives to Munich straight from Naples. He politely greets the other representatives and joins the discussion with a short speech.


The Greek question is indeed a very intriguing one. We admire the art of the Ancient Greeks but such a sympathy should not weaken our judgement on the issue. We should grant the Greeks religious freedom and participation in the government, we should envourage the Sultan to abolish the discriminational laws towards the Christians in his Empire. I am afraid such a precent may create the illusion that rebellions can make the greatest powers in Europe to change their policy and in this way for the sake of ignorant mobs to ignore the real interests of their country and people. Shall I remind you, gentlemen, that the French Revolution, that madness that put the end of the life of a monarch and his family, began in this way. The result we had was 20 years of war that ravaged Europe. Indeed, I can not approve cruelty over the Greeks but I will not support such an independence. For what will the next step? Revolution in Paris? Uprising of the Polish that are never satisfied by the status quo? or perhaps another rebellions in Italy... No, gentlemen, I do not think this is a good idea. Reforms, yes but a whole new state puts too many question on the table. There are too many questions but no answers. Therefore, Vienna does not approve the idea of a Greek independence, for the sole reason this does not seem to serve our purpose of European stability.

I would like to defend the Tzar of Russia whose representative has not arrived in Munich yet (though the Tzar assured me he will send a representative), perhaps due to to the enormrous distances between St.Petersburg and Munich. I do not think Russia can be blamed for the instability and the recent war with Persia. I think we should be glad that the Russian government managed to cope swiftly with the rebellion. Austria also declares that it will cooperate with Russia on the Polish question and the Austrian police will prevent any potential revolutionary activitites amongst the Polish subejcts of the Danube Empire that can threaten the status quo in the East. Perhaps Prussia may also join our efforts in that matter?

[Prince Cobra]

On another aspect, I would like to express my hope that France is not a threat for the European peace. It brought down the rebellion in Spain for the sake of the stability in Europe and reconsidered its past mistakes that I am sure will not be repeated. I have high hopes that France will become one of the pilars of European peace.

[King Jan III Sobieski]

When is the deadline by the way?

[Franconicus]

Well, before we end this meeting, I would like to hear a clear plan how France wants to end his financial problems and how to restore order.

[Peasant Phill]

Wait, the meeting is already winding down? We're still stating our opining positions. Nothing has been discussed yet.

I'm very interested in the future of Greece and in extension that of Greece and Cyprus (both with a large Greek population).
In the light of recent events, I'm willing to work towards a clear decision in regards to these rebelious communities.

Also, In the recent years the colonisation of Africa has been intensified. It may be wise to come to an agreement on this topic to avoid future tensions.

Sultan Mohamed Ali

[Pranas]

Greetings.
My appologies for being up late for the meeting, yet still I care to join in the important topic discussions.

First of all, I bless all those who support my rule, and right over the Russian throne, thus I give an honest russianman hug.
Never the less, as I noticed, my country is being blamed for the curent finantial situation, and I cannot disagree with that, BUT...
Improving the new Concert ideas like a pact agains a rebells - only after the main rebellian period, saying honestly,which did caused that crisis, is a non-consequencial ethic.
On my oppinion, the concert should go through a whole bunch of important points in a consequencial ethical norm, not only aiming to a particular event or situation. We must not protect the past, but to secure the present for the safety on the future.
My conclusional point is - discussing about each major and possibly minor nation, making a topic about its agression, economics e.c. and trying to improve something we don't like. Thus, one nation never will arrise agains many.

Situation with the Greece.
1)The nation will be accepted as an independent state, when it will be able to fight for its freedom, with the winning force.
2)the Nation will be accepted as an independent state, when people in this region used to be lowed to the ground, like worms by the region owner.

I partly accept their freedom, however if more that 1 privel. will be given to people of Greece, I will deny their independence.
The idea is that the country, consisting of different nations, should take some responobility, and should try and improve life of all the people.
If I will see discrimination - Freedom for the Greecs.

I will try to continue with the Concert soon.
Nicholas I

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Well, before we end this meeting, I would like to hear a clear plan how France wants to end his financial problems and how to restore order.

Do not worry, we will get it done. I will take loans from other nations to pay off the debt down to an amanageable level. And for the order, I will send in troops to contain the proteseters. I will also spend some money helping them find jobs.

[Peasant Phill]

Greetings.
My appologies for being up late for the meeting, yet still I care to join in the important topic discussions.

First of all, I bless all those who support my rule, and right over the Russian throne, thus I give an honest russianman hug.
...
If I will see discrimination - Freedom for the Greecs.

I will try to continue with the Concert soon.
Nicholas I

Tsar Nicolas,

Either I'll be forced to behead my translator for doing such a bad job or you're such a master in double meanings that I can't get heads nor tails on your statement.


OOC: Seriously, what are you trying to say?

[Franconicus]

I will be busy with REAL LIFE PROBLEMS during the next two weeks. You have to have the conference and solve all problems of mankind without me. I will try to answer your pms as soon as possible.

Deadline could be March 1st.

[Prince Cobra]

You are not alone Franc. The demon of RL has not visited only you... This can explain why I have not been very active recently.

[Peasant Phill]

Not to worry. Take your time while we take over 19th century Europe.
Bwahahahaha

[Peasant Phill]

It seems that events, outside the controle of all of us, have prolongued this meeting. That's why I see it as my duty to reenergise the debate.

1) Financial Problems and how to solve them:
This will be dealt with when the French produce their plan to combat their financiel problems
2) How to construct a system to prevent military conflicts:
I believe that there is little objection voiced so far to have a non-aggression pact between all the members of this meeting. Nothing more, nothing less.
In addition, there should be agreements about spheres of influence. As I believe these will become the next obstacle for European stability.
3) How to fight republican ideas.
This is a point that hasn't been discussed enough. At least not detailed enough.
4) the dangerous situation at France
See point 1
5) the future of Greece
See point 3