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    Default Re: Things you just never do in battles.

    Yeah, I think everyone who's ever played drunk is guilty of "one glorious charge" syndrome...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roark View Post
    Yeah, I think everyone who's ever played drunk is guilty of "one glorious charge" syndrome...

    Well, Roark... It does not make it any less glorious, it's just not smart and effective that's all...


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    Default Re: Things you just never do in battles.

    Yes... many widows and orphans are made thus.

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    I always want to end battles quickly so I have to avoid the temptation of just ordering all my units to attack the enemy lines in a heap. This is especially tempting if I have vastly superior units, but it's a good way to get a lot of units killed quickly.

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    Originally posted by Caravel
    How many times have I done that? It takes a lot of restraint and forsight to know when the rout is for real. I have often had my exhausted heavy cav surprised by rallying units and/or reinforcements at the other side of the field and utterly destroyed. When in critical defensive battles I tend to avoid pursuing routers all together and set my whole infantry formation to hold position, preferably perched atop a hill. This prevents them from following enemies of their own accord. My cavalry I hold in reserve to protect the flanks and briefly hit routers, but not pursue them.
    The best thing to do is to use the grouping feature which in this version of the TW engine is supreme; basically say you have spears swords archers a knight general and a bunch of seargents. Now group thus;
    control plus shift plus number all together, say 1 for swords, 2 for spears, 3 archers, 4 for seargents, 5 for general. You can have over or subgroups too, say you want a combined version of the general and one seargent use 6. Recall with control plus number. In this way you have a very quick way to access main army components - you can micro individually from picking at the moment of action in the screen to pull a flank charge while all the group of seargents say is on the move.

    It works also wonders after the main melee to get your melee troops quickly together or otherwise they scatter as you say.

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    Never engage Turkish, Cuman, GH, or Arabic armies of Horse Archers. At all.

    And never bother engaging the home-sitting family army of 7 Royal Knights with a 4 star King, which can normally be found in Scotland, or Denmark. They will tear you up. Unfairly.

    Oh and never engage armies in an isolated, last-ditch-defence position, like in Armenia, or Bohemia.

    It will have you in tears.
    Last edited by PershsNhpios; 12-21-2008 at 11:31.

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    Originally posted by Glenn
    Never engage Turkish, Cuman, GH, or Arabic armies of Horse Archers. At all.

    Why not? Horse archers have this soft texture that makes a nice sound when hit by arrows and bolts. Sit the infantry in woods behind the shooters, and use the fire at will toggle on and off to concentrate fire on horse archers as they close by to stillness for shooting one by one - take the pop corn and enjoy.

    Oh and never engage armies in an isolated, last-ditch-defence position, like in Armenia, or Bohemia.

    Bohemia is the first target to take out as the HRE. First or second turn. They become a nuisance only if left unchecked for too long, because they accumulate heirs. Armenia doesnt even have a chance, whether the player attacks it or not.

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    I couldnt think of any decent "Never" battle anecdotes so i`ll contribute a campaign one.

    Never, ever conquer the Byzantine Empire before the Mongols show up
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    Never engage a byzantine army led by a 7 star or more Kata general,those things can really be a pain..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishazu View Post
    I couldnt think of any decent "Never" battle anecdotes so i`ll contribute a campaign one.

    Never, ever conquer the Byzantine Empire before the Mongols show up
    I go for the opposite approach. I prefer to secure the choke points and get a strong garrison in place before the Byzantine crumble and let them into the interior of Asia Minor (which causes absolute havoc and can set you back decades technologically). I will then hold on to Georgia, defending against everything they throw at me and attack them in their other provinces and try to cut off and divide their forces.
    Quote Originally Posted by oz_wwjd View Post
    Never engage a byzantine army led by a 7 star or more Kata general,those things can really be a pain..
    There is always a counter to every enemy. I don't see there as being many "never" situations - apart from being vastly outnumbered and outclassed of course. When it comes to Kataphraktoi they are vulnerable to Polearms, AP units (flanking only), javelins and arbalests so it is a good idea to engage them with these until you've taken down 2/3 of the unit's strength and / or pin them with spears and hit them in the flanks with polearms such as JHI, Halberdiers or Chivalric Foot Knights.
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    Here's one;

    Never say to yourself - "Ah! The age of gunpowder! And I am years ahead of my neighbours.. Well, I'll construct 10 Demi-Culverins, support them with two units of Chivalric Foot Knights - and nothing will stand in the face of my all-destroying line of fire!"

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    Default Re: Things you just never do in battles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wishazu View Post
    I couldnt think of any decent "Never" battle anecdotes so i`ll contribute a campaign one.

    Never, ever conquer the Byzantine Empire before the Mongols show up
    It's all about location, my friend. Like Caravel, I don't necessarily take out the Byz, but I will make sure to grab Georgia & Constantinople (along with the rest of Asia Minor) and then fortify those two spots like it's going out of style. So long as you can do that, destroying the Byzantines isn't necessary.


    Quote Originally Posted by oz_wwjd View Post
    Never engage a byzantine army led by a 7 star or more Kata general,those things can really be a pain..
    Crossbow/arbalest bolts. Lots and lots of them.
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    Never run your general in front of your culverins.

    I had set up a canon trap whilst on defence; worked very well, the foes centre was getting creamed!

    But what's this? A unit on the right is hard pressed! np, the general can support; let's see, that canon just fired so I'll be ok running across the front of it...the general charges down upon the enemy! BOOM!
    "Your general has been slain..." Mass rout ensued

    At least the trap worked
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    or never let your general and heir stand next to a cannon while it is bombarding the enemy on the other side of a river crossing.

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