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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    I think your religion is clouding the whole issue. Why do you care so much if gay couples have the same distiniction as married copules? People will still have kids its not like "Well the gays can marry so I no longer find the human experince worth passing on" I bet that wont happen

    You know whats funny is that 50 years not many people viewed the catholic church as a church. More like a bunch occultists following a leader in a funny hat but we dont anymore because were not right 50 years ago. It is ok for things to change and be different the world will not end.

    I know it won't literally end. I like to fight bad ideas just because they are bad. If they don't conform with my worldview then I am against them for fun. Why shouldn't I be? I think it is funny that some Koga told me that my God will be dissapointed in me for denying my vote or voice in the pursuit of gay civil marriage. Remember that? That was hilarious.

    People could mandate that we eat sterilized crap for breakfast and the world wouldn't end. It doesn't mean it would be any better just because it is a change. You wouldn't get my support for that either.

    ATPG - we don't understand one anothers view points. If I understood yours I would agree. No sense in dolling up the obvious - again the mind invents logic for the whims of the will. We will never understand one another because we all have different minds and experiences, but one day most of us will give up arguing and just deal with it. We'll probably come up with some BS explanation that doesn't hurt our self image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    I know it won't literally end. I like to fight bad ideas just because they are bad. If they don't conform with my worldview then I am against them for fun. Why shouldn't I be? I think it is funny that some Koga told me that my God will be dissapointed in me for denying my vote or voice in the pursuit of gay civil marriage. Remember that? That was hilarious.

    People could mandate that we eat sterilized crap for breakfast and the world wouldn't end. It doesn't mean it would be any better just because it is a change. You wouldn't get my support for that either.
    But its not a bad idea.....I think this has run its course
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    I suppose the point was to explain why it is bad.

    So far, I don't think the case has been made as to why it should affect straight people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy View Post
    I suppose the point was to explain why it is bad.

    So far, I don't think the case has been made as to why it should affect straight people.
    My main point was that Courts shouldn't be deciding these things and that people should have respect for constitutional processes which have been proven to work over time with respect to other deep seated convictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff View Post
    My main point was that Courts shouldn't be deciding these things and that people should have respect for constitutional processes which have been proven to work over time with respect to other deep seated convictions.
    The courts aren't adding a law. The courts are saying that exclusions built into a law extending rights only to a certain kind of people are unconstitutional. That is the role of the courts. I don't get this whole idea from the right that courts are supposed to just sit there and do nothing except on Roe v. Wade. They do have a role and when they rule that marriage and civil unions are not the same thing and are discriminatory, they are doing that job perfectly.
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    My main point was that Courts shouldn't be deciding these things and that people should have respect for constitutional processes which have been proven to work over time with respect to other deep seated convictions.
    So your argument is not that gays marrying is bad, but that courts have the ability to rule things unconstitutional?

    What power, if any, do you believe they have?

    With respect, you are not defending your viewpoint, you are changing the argument, repeatedly. It's not about taxes, it's not about votes, it's not about courts, and it's not about churches or biological processes.

    The debate should be about why gay marriage is such an awful thing. I have not heard a response other than it's what some people believe.

    I don't want to offend or annoy you, so please don't take my line of questioning personally, and feel free to go to bed. I need to, myself.
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