Jorg Haider is Dead

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

So? That doesn't make it right.

CR

What is wrong with honouring our ancestors, who fought and, in many cases, died in the war? They didn't fight for the Nazi government, they fought for the country, or because they were conscripted. You cannot paint the Wehrmacht as an organization of war criminals any more than you can paint the USAAF as one.

We have the same right to honour our veterans as you have to honour yours, even though our veterans were on the "wrong" side.

[KarlXII]

What is wrong with honouring our ancestors, who fought and, in many cases, died in the war? They didn't fight for the Nazi government, they fought for the country, or because they were conscripted. You cannot paint the Wehrmacht as an organization of war criminals any more than you can paint the USAAF as one.

We have the same right to honour our veterans as you have to honour yours, even though our veterans were on the "wrong" side.

Wermacht should be honored as the force it was. The SS, however, as I stated again, the divisions (Such as Wiking) that's sole duty was to fight should be honored for their committment and fighting ability, however, those who were involved with the war crimes need to no further mention for their atrocities. Alexander- the pilot who bombed Dresden was following orders, as was the Panzer Grenadier who was at the Seelow Heights. Both need to be remembered and honored for their fighting ability and bravery. To paint them due to their superiors actions is stupid.

[Strike For The South]

All that matters is America won. If the Germans or French or Brits want to be proud let them. The Americans Russians and Chinese are busy fighting over the world

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Wermacht should be honored as the force it was. The SS, however, as I stated again, the divisions (Such as Wiking) that's sole duty was to fight should be honored for their committment and fighting ability, however, those who were involved with the war crimes need to no further mention for their atrocities. Alexander- the pilot who bombed Dresden was following orders, as was the Panzer Grenadier who was at the Seelow Heights. Both need to be remembered and honored for their fighting ability and bravery. To paint them due to their superiors actions is stupid.

I would largely agree with this post.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

What is wrong with honouring our ancestors, who fought and, in many cases, died in the war? They didn't fight for the Nazi government, they fought for the country, or because they were conscripted. You cannot paint the Wehrmacht as an organization of war criminals any more than you can paint the USAAF as one.

When your country is run by Nazis, serving your country is tantamount to serving them. If no one volunteered to invade Poland...

What do you mean? Hypothetical: If my brother gave up his life to defend my father who was an abusive drunk murderer, I would honor my brothers sacrifice. I would blame my father even more for causing his death, but the one who sacrificed was doing what he thought was right out of honor.

That's not a very clear scenario to me, but if your brother was protecting your father while he was out murdering, he would have been convicted as an accessory if he lived.

It would be even more sad that my brother died to protect a scumbag.

Amen.

Wermacht should be honored as the force it was. The SS, however, as I stated again, the divisions (Such as Wiking) that's sole duty was to fight should be honored for their committment and fighting ability, however, those who were involved with the war crimes need to no further mention for their atrocities. Alexander- the pilot who bombed Dresden was following orders, as was the Panzer Grenadier who was at the Seelow Heights. Both need to be remembered and honored for their fighting ability and bravery. To paint them due to their superiors actions is stupid.

The Whermacht was a force not only with specific war crimes and atrocities on its record, but also one supporting an even ghastlier system. The pilot who bombed Dresden might not have connected the dots between his orders and the thousands of civilian causalties, but still should have rejected them.

We know that there is no such thing as "following orders" - that's one of the rationales at work at Neuremburg!

[Crazed Rabbit]

What is wrong with honouring our ancestors, who fought and, in many cases, died in the war? They didn't fight for the Nazi government, they fought for the country, or because they were conscripted. You cannot paint the Wehrmacht as an organization of war criminals any more than you can paint the USAAF as one.

We have the same right to honour our veterans as you have to honour yours, even though our veterans were on the "wrong" side.

Honoring those ancestors is different from honoring the Wehrmact. The Wehrmact fought to defend Nazi Germany, and every minute they held their ground was one more minute the concentration camps were killing people.

CR

[PanzerJaeger]

Honoring those ancestors is different from honoring the Wehrmact. The Wehrmact fought to defend Nazi Germany, and every minute they held their ground was one more minute the concentration camps were killing people.

CR

I wonder if you would apply that same rationale to the US military, which has certainly enabled many attrocities to be committed by the US government.

It's important to realize that none of the major armed forces were completely honorable during the war. That doesn't mean we cannot honor the individuals that were. Among them were SS soldiers.

[Husar]

I would like to point out that many Nazis nowadays also hide their nazism behind less drastic speeches and policies so that they are not touchable by any bans and can avoid prosecution since nazi parties aren't really allowed here(and possibly not in Austria either).

That he called concentration camps punishment camps can be one of two things IMO:

1. He made an honest mistake, used a wrong word to avoid a pause

2. He incidentally said what he really thinks and later corrected it to a more PC version to avoid further problems

The problem I have with calling them punishment camps is that punishment to me means that you did something wrong before you get punished, being born hardly qualifies for me. Basically all of the criteria that made someone "deserve" punishment according to the nazi party were and are only shared by nazis which disqualifies these camps from being called punishment camps in my opinion because they weren't about punishment by any sane standard.