NCO armament?

**Mailman653** · 10-20-2008, 18:58

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Canadians are taught that they won. Americans are taught that they won. I think they're both wrong, personally.

Americans aren't taught the War of 1812

Its the Revolutionary war then straight to the Civil War in about 90% of history classes outside college, everything in between might get squished into a paragraph or just not mentioned at all.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 10-21-2008, 23:22

Originally Posted by Mailman653

Americans aren't taught the War of 1812

I assumed that they were, since a textbook I have, which is directed at an American high school audience, mentions it - though not very extensively, that is true.

**adembroski** · 10-22-2008, 00:12

What I remember of school coverage on the War of 1812 was it was basically a wash. I'm pretty sure it's taught accurately, if lacking detail. That's actually kind of a shock considering how inept our education system is.

**Samurai Waki** · 10-22-2008, 23:54

The American Education system is built to foster nationalism, and make sure the commies don't get into our brains.

**Mailman653** · 10-23-2008, 02:24

Going back to the topic, I thought this article was interesting.
End of the pike era

**Alerion** · 10-23-2008, 09:08

according to that article pikes were abandoned by most armies before or right at the start of the game era

**Narhon** · 10-23-2008, 14:34

Originally Posted by Wakizashi

The American Education system is built to foster nationalism, and make sure the commies don't get into our brains.

He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past. "George Orwell"

Human nature is to take a story and twist it to fit their prejudices and what they have been taught.

Now to the pikes. The officers and NCOs job is to lead not shoot the bad guy if they are worried about shooting how can they direct troops. That is why until recently many officers were issued pistols. During the American revolution the British officers suffered unusually high casualties because the Americans aimed for them. During the battle of Chapultepec during the Mexican American war the USMC had high officer and nco losses compared to enlisted troops; that is the reason for the red stripe on officer and nco blue trousers.

**adembroski** · 10-24-2008, 00:39

Originally Posted by Wakizashi

The American Education system is built to foster nationalism, and make sure the commies don't get into our brains.

ROFL, right. You've been out of school a while, I take it?

**Sheogorath** · 10-24-2008, 00:48

Originally Posted by adembroski

ROFL, right. You've been out of school a while, I take it?

Probably not even from the US. The most 'nationalist' education I got was a back when I lived in Oregon and they constantly taught us about either the Oregon Trail or Lewis and Clark, those being the only two events of any historical significance to take place in Oregon.
I do, however, constantly hear about how nationalistic and evil the US education system is from people who dont live in the US. Maybe I just missed the 'Nationalist Indoctrination' days.

**Martok** · 10-25-2008, 21:39

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Back to topic:

Going by the screenshots and trailers/movies, it appears that officers will wield swords/sabers and possibly pistols as well. I don't know how accurate that would be for the time period, although I know it was like that half a century later in the American Civil War.

**Sheogorath** · 10-25-2008, 23:42

Originally Posted by Martok

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Back to topic:

Going by the screenshots and trailers/movies, it appears that officers will wield swords/sabers and possibly pistols as well. I don't know how accurate that would be for the time period, although I know it was like that half a century later in the American Civil War.

As I said in the OP, my knowledge is generally limited to the Russian army, but they withdrew the halberd from standard service in the middle of the Napoleonic Wars (about 1802, I think). Roughly the same time they started issuing cuiriasses to their curiassiers :P
I think, though, that at the start of the game, pretty much all regular infantry (IE: Not militias or guerrillas) should have a sword, dagger, or some other melee sidearm. Those only generally fell out of service after the bayonet was introduced...and sometimes not even then (I think the Swedes in particular held onto the sword as a standard infantry weapon for quite a while.)