Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS

**ICantSpellDawg** · 10-24-2008, 19:11

If your main interest is sex, then have as much of it as you want and die young.

If you don't want to get to know them then don't waste your time. Spend all time, money and sexual security on people worth it.

**Strike For The South** · 10-24-2008, 19:13

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

If your main interest is sex, then have as much of it as you want and die young.

If you don't want to get to know them then don't waste your time. Spend all time, money and sexual security on people worth it.

Why die young?

**ICantSpellDawg** · 10-24-2008, 19:23

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Why die young?

If you sky dive and it is your main interest you will probably die young - but it will be worth it.

Sex with condoms is only a reasonable trade off for the people who primarily enjoy the callous domination aspect. I don't like that all that much, I like the feeling of it, so the condoms are not a sensible trade off - i'd rather trade frequency and number of partners for sensation when keeping myself safe.

Make your choice, but the reality is that people with many partners who use condoms are more likely to get HIV than those with very few partners who don't.

**Strike For The South** · 10-24-2008, 19:27

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

If you sky dive and it is your main interest you will probably die young - but it will be worth it.

Sex with condoms is only a reasonable trade off for the people who primarily enjoy the callous domination aspect. I don't like that all that much, I like the feeling of it, so the condoms are not a sensible trade off - i'd rather trade frequency and number of partners for sensation when keeping myself safe.

Make your choice, but the reality is that people with many partners who use condoms are more likely to get HIV than those with very few partners who don't.

Now we're assuming.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 10-24-2008, 19:33

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Now we're assuming.

Proper use of condoms is 99.8% effective. This doesn't take into account the monumentally retarded, human error, "other types of intercourse" and human passion. Add all of that together and anything else I've missed (condom resistant diseases and parasites, the de-sensitization and the cost) and it is not the best thing to push. I have no problem with birth control - this isn't a religious issue for me. I have practical concerns with anything that is not alluring being pushed as a surefire way not to ruin your life when in reality it is impractical and nowhere near as effective as advertised. Birth control pills and vasectomy are a great trade off in a monogamous relationship, but condoms are an all-round loser.

I'm sure that this high school has a great sexual health program. It is a public, quasi-urban black school. I don't think that lack of sex ed is the problem here.

**Koga No Goshi** · 10-24-2008, 21:15

Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff

Proper use of condoms is 99.8% effective. This doesn't take into account the monumentally retarded, human error, "other types of intercourse" and human passion. Add all of that together and anything else I've missed (condom resistant diseases and parasites, the de-sensitization and the cost) and it is not the best thing to push. I have no problem with birth control - this isn't a religious issue for me. I have practical concerns with anything that is not alluring being pushed as a surefire way not to ruin your life when in reality it is impractical and nowhere near as effective as advertised. Birth control pills and vasectomy are a great trade off in a monogamous relationship, but condoms are an all-round loser.

I'm sure that this high school has a great sexual health program. It is a public, quasi-urban black school. I don't think that lack of sex ed is the problem here.

1. Almost no teenagers apparently use condoms properly. Because I don't know a single one of my sexually active friends from h.s. (during h.s., I mean) who didn't have at least one story about breaking a condom or having it roll up/come off. I am sure the hit-or-miss presence or quality of sex education in lower income and rural school districts (and many private schools if they are Christian and minimize the topic, as was the case with my h.s.) has a good deal to do with this. As well as parent & school & church conflicts over making condoms available. And Tuff you would be surprised how quick sex ed gets cut when underbudgeting is a problem for a lower income school.

2. It is not difficult at all for an STD starting with one person to end up with a 50 person spread. It has nothing to do with white or black. Think about how many people you've had sex with. How many they've had sex with. How many those people have had sex with. With adults who are not married or monogamous for long periods of time, it can be in the hundreds when it's all added up. Combined with the fact that STD's frequently take much longer to become symptomatic in women than in men, so an infected woman can be spreading a disease for awhile before she even knows she has one. Fifty is not a shockingly high number of a "sexual encounter family tree." Not even in high school, not even in a white high school these days.

Think about the "popular crowd" at your high school. How many of those people at various points dated one another? And how many of them also dated people from other schools (or older men frequently, in the case of goodlooking h.s. girls.) Even though I went to a small school of about 1,350, it is not difficult to imagine sexual contact linking 50 of them. In addition even assuming you got regular testing (which I am sure h.s. students do not) it takes what, 3-6 months for HIV to be reliably tested? That's a long time in light of the short-lived nature of h.s. relationships for a disease to spread around before anyone even suspects they have it.

**ICantSpellDawg** · 10-24-2008, 22:42

Originally Posted by Koga No Goshi

1. Almost no teenagers apparently use condoms properly. Because I don't know a single one of my sexually active friends from h.s. (during h.s., I mean) who didn't have at least one story about breaking a condom or having it roll up/come off. I am sure the hit-or-miss presence or quality of sex education in lower income and rural school districts (and many private schools if they are Christian and minimize the topic, as was the case with my h.s.) has a good deal to do with this. As well as parent & school & church conflicts over making condoms available. And Tuff you would be surprised how quick sex ed gets cut when underbudgeting is a problem for a lower income school.

2. It is not difficult at all for an STD starting with one person to end up with a 50 person spread. It has nothing to do with white or black. Think about how many people you've had sex with. How many they've had sex with. How many those people have had sex with. With adults who are not married or monogamous for long periods of time, it can be in the hundreds when it's all added up. Combined with the fact that STD's frequently take much longer to become symptomatic in women than in men, so an infected woman can be spreading a disease for awhile before she even knows she has one. Fifty is not a shockingly high number of a "sexual encounter family tree." Not even in high school, not even in a white high school these days.

Think about the "popular crowd" at your high school. How many of those people at various points dated one another? And how many of them also dated people from other schools (or older men frequently, in the case of goodlooking h.s. girls.) Even though I went to a small school of about 1,350, it is not difficult to imagine sexual contact linking 50 of them. In addition even assuming you got regular testing (which I am sure h.s. students do not) it takes what, 3-6 months for HIV to be reliably tested? That's a long time in light of the short-lived nature of h.s. relationships for a disease to spread around before anyone even suspects they have it.

If this was a private Catholic school or a public school in the bible belt, maybe you could blame this on the church - but this is sex-ed central.

I do, however, agree with all of your points (except for the religious dig).

**yesdachi** · 10-24-2008, 20:53

I can’t believe that there is someone against condoms, how weird this is to me. I have been having sex for 20 years on a pretty regular basis (same girl for 18 years) and have only had sex without a condom a few dozen times. It is just part of our fun.

We don’t want to risk pregnancy, I don’t want to get snipped, other forms of physical birth control are not as comfortable and she goes crazy when she is on the pill – condoms are our best alternative.

As to the topic, I could see how 1 person could introduce 50 to an STD in a school of 1,300. Heck my school only had 300 people and I could follow a chain of who’s sleeping with who to 50 people easy.