Why die young?Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
Why die young?
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
If you sky dive and it is your main interest you will probably die young - but it will be worth it.
Sex with condoms is only a reasonable trade off for the people who primarily enjoy the callous domination aspect. I don't like that all that much, I like the feeling of it, so the condoms are not a sensible trade off - i'd rather trade frequency and number of partners for sensation when keeping myself safe.
Make your choice, but the reality is that people with many partners who use condoms are more likely to get HIV than those with very few partners who don't.
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 10-24-2008 at 19:25.
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Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
Now we're assuming.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
Proper use of condoms is 99.8% effective. This doesn't take into account the monumentally retarded, human error, "other types of intercourse" and human passion. Add all of that together and anything else I've missed (condom resistant diseases and parasites, the de-sensitization and the cost) and it is not the best thing to push. I have no problem with birth control - this isn't a religious issue for me. I have practical concerns with anything that is not alluring being pushed as a surefire way not to ruin your life when in reality it is impractical and nowhere near as effective as advertised. Birth control pills and vasectomy are a great trade off in a monogamous relationship, but condoms are an all-round loser.
I'm sure that this high school has a great sexual health program. It is a public, quasi-urban black school. I don't think that lack of sex ed is the problem here.
Last edited by ICantSpellDawg; 10-24-2008 at 19:36.
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
1. Almost no teenagers apparently use condoms properly. Because I don't know a single one of my sexually active friends from h.s. (during h.s., I mean) who didn't have at least one story about breaking a condom or having it roll up/come off. I am sure the hit-or-miss presence or quality of sex education in lower income and rural school districts (and many private schools if they are Christian and minimize the topic, as was the case with my h.s.) has a good deal to do with this. As well as parent & school & church conflicts over making condoms available. And Tuff you would be surprised how quick sex ed gets cut when underbudgeting is a problem for a lower income school.
2. It is not difficult at all for an STD starting with one person to end up with a 50 person spread. It has nothing to do with white or black. Think about how many people you've had sex with. How many they've had sex with. How many those people have had sex with. With adults who are not married or monogamous for long periods of time, it can be in the hundreds when it's all added up. Combined with the fact that STD's frequently take much longer to become symptomatic in women than in men, so an infected woman can be spreading a disease for awhile before she even knows she has one. Fifty is not a shockingly high number of a "sexual encounter family tree." Not even in high school, not even in a white high school these days.
Think about the "popular crowd" at your high school. How many of those people at various points dated one another? And how many of them also dated people from other schools (or older men frequently, in the case of goodlooking h.s. girls.) Even though I went to a small school of about 1,350, it is not difficult to imagine sexual contact linking 50 of them. In addition even assuming you got regular testing (which I am sure h.s. students do not) it takes what, 3-6 months for HIV to be reliably tested? That's a long time in light of the short-lived nature of h.s. relationships for a disease to spread around before anyone even suspects they have it.
Last edited by Koga No Goshi; 10-24-2008 at 21:20.
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Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
If this was a private Catholic school or a public school in the bible belt, maybe you could blame this on the church - but this is sex-ed central.
I do, however, agree with all of your points (except for the religious dig).
"That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
-Eric "George Orwell" Blair
"If the policy of the government, upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court...the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned the government into the hands of that eminent tribunal."
(Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, 1861).
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Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
I didn't blame this particular story on the church. But between religious/moral influences and the underfunding of public schools, we cannot operate from the assumption that every teenager or even most teenagers out there have an understanding or even complete introduction to the proper use of contraceptives, nor have access to them. So I think many people were jumping the gun big time in laying this on people being "massively retarded" or "black."
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Re: Up To 50 kids may be exposed to the AIDS
I can’t believe that there is someone against condoms, how weird this is to me. I have been having sex for 20 years on a pretty regular basis (same girl for 18 years) and have only had sex without a condom a few dozen times. It is just part of our fun.
We don’t want to risk pregnancy, I don’t want to get snipped, other forms of physical birth control are not as comfortable and she goes crazy when she is on the pill – condoms are our best alternative.
As to the topic, I could see how 1 person could introduce 50 to an STD in a school of 1,300. Heck my school only had 300 people and I could follow a chain of who’s sleeping with who to 50 people easy.
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