The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

pizzaguy, you behaved out of character in the previous day phase (not many posts compared to day 1).

Any explanation for this?

Sorry folks.

Andres, I understand why you'd ask this question, but I have been away from the computer for 2 days. I participate as much as I can while I am here at the house, but between spending time at my parent's house or spending time at my girlfriend's house... the choice is obvious.

I truly wish I had the time to do everything I want to do in my life... with college, a job, a girlfriend, and all the various things I do at the .org, it's just not possible to be online all the time anymore. I do try though.

If I happen to die while I am away, that's a shame, but we do what we can. And I will continue to participate postmortem. Give me a few minutes to catch up on the thread and check my emails.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Abstain

If the mafia is not killing, it may be said we are digging ourselves into a hole if we're lynching people without significant evidence. If we lynch no one and the mafia continues to leave us alive, we may get closer to finding the guilty party without lynching the innocents on the way.

EDIT: Scratch that, it's a night phase isn't it? You and your food-voting confused me! My argument holds if the mafia continues not to kill.

I entirely disagree. I am convinced that we are dealing with a cult. Mafia is converting townies behind our back, and will win the game covertly. We must continue to lynch. A town who doesn't lynch cannot win.

1. There seem to be no vigilantes, or else the vigilante is lying low. This doesn't prove or disprove the cult theory, but it does suggest town's only way of truly fighting back if there is one.

2. The mafia have yet to kill after a couple nights. It seems to me to be bad strategy unless they were incapable of killing on nights one and two. (two and three, including "night one")

3. The lack of killing of the lynchees tells me that they could become reactivated. If there was a cult, having additional townies makes sense. Someone might be able to release them from cryostasis.

I need more evidence, but unless there starts to be some deaths, I would conclude mafia is not mafia at all, but a cult which is snagging us from within. The consequences of such a thing are pretty bad, I think. Unless the cult is unable to convert followers or town is given some additional abilities, this ship could be doomed.

There is a bit of hope, however; if this is all true, the game would be unfairly weighted in the cult's favor. Town must have some saving tactic, or there must be some game-changing event.

It's also quite possible that I'm entirely wrong. I just do not suspect a typical mafia setup, and CR told us as much. This puzzle might be just a bit too complex to solve by the typical obvious clues.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Killed (1)
Lord Winter

Sigh... nevermind. I thought I was onto something.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So far, the only attack we know to have succeeded was executed -- Sorry LW -- by two perps who called him a "terrorist," as they killed him, asserting it was the "planet's salvation" they sought to effect. These two were clearly working together.

The Two attackers knocked on the room door and then entered.

A third individual retreated from the scene, moving in an opposite direction.

Neither "bloodied" killer was found.


So, this could have been a "mafia" kill, OR a vigilante kill. The words used imply the former is more likely, but not distinctly enough to be certain. It could also be disinformation.

The writeup suggests to me that the room was opened FOR the killers by a third party. This is, of course, not conclusive.

The bloke going in the "opposite" direction is obviously another role player of some kind. The attacker's "control" who opened the door remotely (godfather), or someone working FOR the "town" but either unsuccessful (doctor) or successful (detective).


Odd thoughts...

WE cannot release the prisoners, but did we just create the attacker's two-person semi-zombie team through our votes? Seems unlikely, but CR is a creative fellow....

Dream well, Grey Pilgrim!


Vote: Sigurd

Kukri's not that unsubtle -- unless he's using a Webley -- so why the nit-picking level of post evaluation to provide "substance" for YOUR vote?

[Yoyoma1910]

Hello, I'm going to say this again!!!!



No kills for the first two nights, instead we found two instances of propagandistic literature.


Now there are three mafia. One speaker and two to do his dirty work.



Get it!




The mafia recruited two followers!!



Maybe he couldn't have killed until he had accomplices?





P.s. What's with the thrown out the airlock?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seamus may be onto something. My theory just isn't holding up, and I am willing to entertain suggestions. vote: Sigurd for now.

Reason: I want to be third on the bandwagon.

No, actually YLC pointed out to me that Sigurd is usually far more helpful, and I find myself agreeing with Seamus' reasoning.


@Yoyoma-

Brilliant deduction. That actually works. I'd say it's the best formula so far. What's with the huge spaces?

[Yoyoma1910]

Because when I said it like this:

I think what happened is that we started out with one mafia. Instead of killing for two nights, he recruited two additional people. That's why we found two instances of literature in the engine room.

You ignored it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

3. The lack of killing of the lynchees tells me that they could become reactivated. If there was a cult, having additional townies makes sense. Someone might be able to release them from cryostasis

Incorrect according to CR's post:

Also, the prisoners cannot be freed.

It's still possible there is a cult, but there might be something quite different about this one. My current (updated) theory is that the cult must recruit members, then it becomes a normal mafia once it reaches a certain size. If this is true, it would explain why all the clues fit.

However, I have the unfortunate habit of being wrong about certain details even when I'm on the right track. Feel free to offer more alternative theories.

EDIT:

Because when I said it like this: You ignored it.

Apologies, I wasn't trying to ignore it. I was both posting on this thread and talking to YLC at the time, and I did not see it.

[Yoyoma1910]

I think what we might have is a "Godfather and two goons type scenario."

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think what we might have is a "Godfather and two goons type scenario."

This is also quite possible. I am actually not relying on evidence alone, but intuition. I feel based on what I know of CR's views on left-wingers, that it's very possible he developed a mafia game based on a satirical take on those views. The environmental wackos are a crazy militant group, trying to propagate their extremist viewpoint and forcing it onto others via brainwashing. That smacks of "cult"-type mafias to me. There's no reason to discount either theory at the moment.

[Yoyoma1910]

That is an excellent point. Dang pinko-commies. Now I'll never get to see through my 5 year plan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I may be going out on a limb here, but it's too tempting an idea not to mention:

What if those of us here at the .org who were left-wingers/progressives were the ones selected to be mafia? It would add an additional layer to the game, for sure. Those who are mafia aren't always random. I don't believe such a notion yet, but it would be a most interesting twist.

Thoughts?

[shlin28]

*is confuzzled*

Man this game is confusing... I'll vote in the morning when I can actually think straight.

[Askthepizzaguy]

*is confuzzled*

Man this game is confusing... I'll vote in the morning when I can actually think straight.

FOS: Shlin28

It's a good thing I haven't started my quiz yet, or I might have missed this. Other than voting in round one, you've contributed nothing to the game.

Please be voting, with good reasons behind it, soon.

[pevergreen]

Something strikes me about this Yoyo man guy. Kind of...like Ichigo in something called Fantasy Mafia...

Vote: Yoyoma1910

Back to getting a very drunk teenage girl to stop undressing herself. *sigh*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I do mean that in a *sigh* way. She wont stop drinking or taking photos and sending them to me. Shes over 18 though, so its ok
Anyway back to the game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Back to getting a very drunk teenage girl to stop undressing herself

FOS: Pevergreen for posting such obviously distracting things, in order to interfere with town's investigation.

Also, why would you try to stop a 18+ teenager from undressing herself in the first place? Methinks you need a healthy dose of the babe thread so you can get your priorities straight.

[Beefy187]

I would stop her undressing her self if she was my relative

And I second Shling. I am very confused too.. and man... Pizzaman you talk a lot

[White_eyes:D]

I would stop her undressing her self if she was my relative

And I second Shling. I am very confused too.. and man... Pizzaman you talk a lot

ahhhh....at least he posts them in smaller form now, before it was just murder on my eyes
I might change my vote but so far only Peasant Phil and Khann seem to want me dead for some reason.....and I feel like there guilty for some reason....I don't trust ATPG though.....

[pevergreen]

FOS: Pevergreen for posting such obviously distracting things, in order to interfere with town's investigation.

Also, why would you try to stop a 18+ teenager from undressing herself in the first place? Methinks you need a healthy dose of the babe thread so you can get your priorities straight.

Why? Because she was having major mood swings. And she's my ex girlfriend. So nothing I haven't seen before.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaman you talk a lot

LOL

Interesting, though... the thought processes one uses. For one, if someone doesn't post enough, he's a lurker. If someone posts too much, he's suspiciously talkative. If someone posts just enough, he's trying to blend in. No matter what you do, it's always open to criticism. And yes, I do talk a lot. I apologize.

ahhhh....at least he posts them in smaller form now, before it was just murder on my eyes

Like I said before, if people wish I could hide my thoughts in spoilers to keep the thread less cluttered.

Why? Because she was having major mood swings. And she's my ex girlfriend. So nothing I haven't seen before.

Makes sense, and I was only kidding anyway.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Got a miserable score of "70" out of 100 on the five chapter quiz I just took.
I'm off to the girlfriend's house, be back in time for the next vote.

[Csargo]

Back to getting a very drunk teenage girl to stop undressing herself. *sigh*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I do mean that in a *sigh* way. She wont stop drinking or taking photos and sending them to me. Shes over 18 though, so its ok
Anyway back to the game.

I should examine said photos...

[Beefy187]

LOL

Interesting, though... the thought processes one uses. For one, if someone doesn't post enough, he's a lurker. If someone posts too much, he's suspiciously talkative. If someone posts just enough, he's trying to blend in. No matter what you do, it's always open to criticism. And yes, I do talk a lot. I apologize.



Like I said before, if people wish I could hide my thoughts in spoilers to keep the thread less cluttered.



Makes sense, and I was only kidding anyway.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Got a miserable score of "70" out of 100 on the five chapter quiz I just took.
I'm off to the girlfriend's house, be back in time for the next vote.

Ive seen someone analyzing a lot and seemed helpful for townies fooling everyone (well mainly me) and revealing that he was actually mafia.. Im generally support talkers but after that incident...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting ended, tallying votes.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Kukrikhan: 1 (Sigurd)
White eyes: 2 (Phill, khaan)
Reenk: 1 (mithrandir)
Sigurd: 3 (YLC, Seamus, Pizza)
SeiriKhaan: 1 (White eyes)
Yoyoma: 1 (pevergreen)


The Captain looked up at the crowd that approached him with their votes.

"This is pathetic. Not just our ship but our entire future is at stake and people do not care to participate? If people continue to ignore the importance of this I will have no choice but to toss them out the air-lock.
Who have you chosen?"

Three men stepped forward and said 'Sigurd'. The Captain motioned him forward. Two men came to his side in case he attempted to escape, but he did not resist.
Sigurd did not speak, but only turned and looked at the crew silently.
Finally, he said, "Find those who did this."
He then went and lay in the cryo-chamber.
Another member of the crew turned the lock, and the freezing process began.

The Captain faced the crew again, and warned them to be vigilant in the night.

List of players:

Alive (19)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
shlin28
Askthepizzaguy
Aries777777
pevergreen
beefy187
Andres
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Chaotix27
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (1)
Lord Winter

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (3)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd

[Beefy187]

Do we need to vote or is staying active enough to avoid getting thrown out of air-lock?

[Sigurd]

You chose wrong in imprisoning me ...

Luckily I smuggled in a deep space communicator device. Ya know, one of those thingmes that allow someone to project thoughts into speech, writing or picture.
You only removed my ability to vote, not my so called "helpfulness" ...

You guys should have asked either Seamus or Kommodus what my norm is when playing town or what is my norm when playing mafia. They keep statisics for these things.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Do we need to vote or is staying active enough to avoid getting thrown out of air-lock?

Voting is necessary. The Captain won't stand for namby-pamby waffling.

CR

[shlin28]

*facepalm*

Missed another vote...

If I miss another one, please kick me out

[White_eyes:D]

You chose wrong in imprisoning me ...

Luckily I smuggled in a deep space communicator device. Ya know, one of those thingmes that allow someone to project thoughts into speech, writing or picture.
You only removed my ability to vote, not my so called "helpfulness" ...

You guys should have asked either Seamus or Kommodus what my norm is when playing town or what is my norm when playing mafia. They keep statisics for these things.

I maybe would have changed my vote but Phil and khann want me dead because they think I have been "too much under the radar..." I am gonna get lynched by those guys...plus I blamed khann for the opening confusion as well....

[Chaotix]

Gah. Was intending to actually vote. Been extremely busy lately. I won't miss the next one.