The Prometheus: Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

[Crazed Rabbit]

The numbers on the alarm clock flicked and the bleating began. A weary crewmember mumbled and turned in his cot. The bleating continued until a hand finally landed on the clock and fumbled around for the off button.

The crewmember sat up and rubbed his eyes. Another day had begun, though at least no one had been killed in the night.

Andres put on his work clothes grabbed his tool bag. He felt sleepier than he normally did in the morning. He yawned and set off to his post in the engine room.

He made his way down the corridors. The light was steady and unwavering, and all he could hear was the sound of his own footfalls.

Finally he arrived at the engine room. He opened the door and turned to set his tools down. The engine room was one of the biggest spaces on the ship, because it contained the huge amounts of machinery that powered The Prometheus through the void. A lot of the crew worked at maintaining the engine and accompanying equipment.

But no one else was in the room now. Andres looked around again. The engine room was deserted.

But then he saw somebody; a lone figure standing still across the room.

After their eyes met, the figure spoke, “It is fitting your downfall should be brought about in this place, this den of evil. But now you shall be put right!”

Andres saw another figure emerge and approach him from another part of the engine room, and he had turned to run before the speaker had finished his first sentence. Leaving his tools, he turned to run back through the door he had entered in. But as soon as he made it through the doorway, shadows closed in and attacked him, swinging metal pipes and tools. Andres’ frantic yells for help were quickly cut short.

The bloody deed done, all the figures made their way out of the area.

Several hours later, back in the sleeping area, the rest of the crew on Andres’ shift woke up to their alarm clocks.

**********************************************

The morning was a depressed affair as the crew worked slowly to clean up the mess and prepare the body of Andres. As it was being done, The Captain moved from group to group of men, telling them to focus today on the task of hunting those responsible.

The Captain was sure that the killers were among those he talked to, that he had looked them in the eye, but he did not know who and that thought haunted him. They were here and he knew he was close to catching them.


List of players:

Alive (18)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
shlin28
Askthepizzaguy
Aries777777
pevergreen
beefy187
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Chaotix27
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (2)
Lord Winter
Andres

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (3)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd

[shlin28]

*Was dragged kicking and screaming from his quarters by the Captain*

*Grumbles about being forced to vote under threat of death*

*Picks a random person to be voted before trudging back to his room*

Vote: AskThePizzaGuy

[Yoyoma1910]

Lister looked at the pro-voting literature he had just received, which promptly had been stained with curry.


"But, I already voted."


...


"What do you mean i gotta vote in every election? All the candidates look the same to me."



...


"Alright Holli, then I vote: three smeg heads."

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

/me wonders why we shouldn't jail the skipper...

vote: AskthePizzaGuy

[Andres]

Bah, I'm dead.

[White_eyes:D]

I did blame ATPG for the opening confusion....but I feel why break tradition? Vote:khann

[Chaotix]

Vote: shlin

Death to the lurker!

*Hopes the others will miss the obvious hypocrisy behind the previous statement.*

[ULC]

Vote: Mithrandir

Your infatuation with camels makes me wonder who's side your on...

[Twilightblade]

Once I've re-read the thread I'll probably change my vote...but just in case
Vote: pevergreen

[Beefy187]

I may be going out on a limb here, but it's too tempting an idea not to mention:

What if those of us here at the .org who were left-wingers/progressives were the ones selected to be mafia? It would add an additional layer to the game, for sure. Those who are mafia aren't always random. I don't believe such a notion yet, but it would be a most interesting twist.

Thoughts?

Right wing person here

As mafia hoster my self (really bad one too) I always attempt to put some kind of a message in my games. So that theory is quite interesting and worth considering.

Just to avoid WoG for now, Ill vote Peasant phill. Not that I think your guilty, 85 percent ill change my votes later. Please allow me to vote on you now just incase Im too busy to come back on. My apologies

Vote: Peasant Phill

[Mithrandir]

log 2.5
Too sleepy to do much.
received weird text message from captain, couldn't be bugged to read it all, only remembered "must select suspicious name" and "YLC chose you".

Considering it'd be impolite not to return the favor I texted the message to the captain "vote:YLC.

After that I went back to sleep.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Chaotix

For trying to pull of preemptive strikes against an attack, as well as being intentionally hypocritical.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It seems to me that Peasant Phill has been very much of a lurker. I'm also not satisfied with Chaotix' contributions to the game.

I'd very much like to analyze CR's post before I vote.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The numbers on the alarm clock flicked and the bleating began. A weary crewmember mumbled and turned in his cot. The bleating continued until a hand finally landed on the clock and fumbled around for the off button.

The crewmember sat up and rubbed his eyes. Another day had begun, though at least no one had been killed in the night.

Andres put on his work clothes grabbed his tool bag. He felt sleepier than he normally did in the morning. He yawned and set off to his post in the engine room.

He made his way down the corridors. The light was steady and unwavering, and all he could hear was the sound of his own footfalls.

Finally he arrived at the engine room. He opened the door and turned to set his tools down. The engine room was one of the biggest spaces on the ship, because it contained the huge amounts of machinery that powered The Prometheus through the void. A lot of the crew worked at maintaining the engine and accompanying equipment.

But no one else was in the room now. Andres looked around again. The engine room was deserted.

But then he saw somebody; a lone figure standing still across the room.

After their eyes met, the figure spoke, “It is fitting your downfall should be brought about in this place, this den of evil. But now you shall be put right!”

Andres saw another figure emerge and approach him from another part of the engine room, and he had turned to run before the speaker had finished his first sentence. Leaving his tools, he turned to run back through the door he had entered in. But as soon as he made it through the doorway, shadows closed in and attacked him, swinging metal pipes and tools. Andres’ frantic yells for help were quickly cut short.

The bloody deed done, all the figures made their way out of the area.

Several hours later, back in the sleeping area, the rest of the crew on Andres’ shift woke up to their alarm clocks.

Emphasis mine.
From this, I really believe we can conclude that the mafia are either expanding in number, or have been concealing their numbers all along.

I do not think that they have been concealing their numbers, because the best strategy for mafia is to kill as many townies as possible. Wasting any turn to pretend to have fewer numbers may indeed fool town, but it does not bring them closer to victory; while town uses it's free turn to get an extra random shot at the mafia. In summary, a suicidal move for mafia.

I conclude, based on all the evidence we have gathered so far, based on CR's posts, and mafia's activity, that we do indeed have a cult on our hands, to a great degree of certainty.

The morning was a depressed affair as the crew worked slowly to clean up the mess and prepare the body of Andres. As it was being done, The Captain moved from group to group of men, telling them to focus today on the task of hunting those responsible.

The Captain was sure that the killers were among those he talked to, that he had looked them in the eye, but he did not know who and that thought haunted him. They were here and he knew he was close to catching them.

I think CR is hinting that we got close to lynching them in previous rounds. I can think of no other reason to specifically word this the way he did.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vote: Chaotix27

Semi-lurking throughout; trying to balance a low profile with being around just enough to avoid suspicion. Always a reasonable excuse for under-participation. If my suspicinions are incorrect, NOW would be a good time to convince us a bit.



Shadows could be ANY number of attackers, but the wording carefully avoids letting us know how many.

This is the second night we've had killers. Some kind of conversion factor is, I strongly suspect, in play. We have at least one pro/semi-pro town role in play as well. I hope you're getting good info whoever you are...

[Csargo]

Vote:khaan

Semi-Lurking is his style when mafia, that's what he seems to be doing now.

[seireikhaan]

O RLY?

[ULC]

Unvote: Mithrandir
Vote: Chaotix

You behavior, as pointed out well enough, is disturbingly similar to how you behaved in my mafia. Also, you were absent for two days, the days in which the mafia did not kill at all. Kinda adds up to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok folks, here's what I've come up with, with a little help from YLC, and some credit to Ichigo for being a sounding board.

My current theory is that CR could have been hinting at who the guilty parties are, my reasoning above. Here is the previous tallies:

Kukrikhan: 1 (Sigurd)
White eyes: 2 (Phill, khaan)
Reenk: 1 (mithrandir)
Sigurd: 3 (YLC, Seamus, Pizza)
SeiriKhaan: 1 (White eyes)
Yoyoma: 1 (pevergreen)


Khaan: 2 (ichi, pever, )
Aries: 1 (khaan)
ATPG: 2 (Andres, Reenk)
Glyphz: 3 (Sigurd, pizzaguy, YLC)
Andres: 2 (Mithrandir, ATPG)


Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)
Pizzaguy: 3 (pevergreen, yoyoma, Andres)
Reenk Roink:0 ()
pevergreen: 1 (shlin)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Sigurd)
Andres:1(makai)
Seamus: 1 (Ichigo)
Abstain:3 (Seamus, Peasant Phill, AtPG)

Second place finishers bolded.

White Eyes was the last one to be near-voted. Before that, it was Makaikhaan, myself, and Andres, who is now dead, and before that Makaikhaan was within a hair of being axed.

My top suspects are White Eyes, Makaikhaan, and Chaotix. I volunteer to die this round or any other round, since I am also a suspect. I would like to vote Chaotix this round and put the FOS on White Eyes and Makaikhaan. Mak did act suspiciously in the beginning of the thread, and White Eyes is not only the last to dodge the axe, but also been less than helpful.

Vote: Chaotix

[seireikhaan]

How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

I did not just "throw names" out there. Each person nearly got voted, and I suspect CR was trying to tell us something, that we were close, or have been close. Therefore it makes sense to take a closer look at the second place finishers.

While I haven't been the one who has been accusing you of scummy behavior, others have. And so far, I don't think you've responded to that in a satisfactory way. But rather than explain yourself to me, I would direct you to their posts and their accusations. I actually have stuff I gotta do at the moment, but I will be back to point you to those posts.

I agree, the case isn't ironclad, but there is no such thing as an ironclad case. I've been suspected for talking too much, which is hardly an ironclad case. Others have been (jokingly) voted for because they are big fans of camels. At the very least, I'm putting some thought into my votes, and giving clear reasons.

I can't say the same about White Eyes, and I have doubts about you, too. No offense, of course, my friend.

[seireikhaan]

I did not just "throw names" out there. Each person nearly got voted, and I suspect CR was trying to tell us something, that we were close, or have been close. Therefore it makes sense to take a closer look at the second place finishers.

While I haven't been the one who has been accusing you of scummy behavior, others have. And so far, I don't think you've responded to that in a satisfactory way. But rather than explain yourself to me, I would direct you to their posts and their accusations. I actually have stuff I gotta do at the moment, but I will be back to point you to those posts.

I agree, the case isn't ironclad, but there is no such thing as an ironclad case. I've been suspected for talking too much, which is hardly an ironclad case. Others have been (jokingly) voted for because they are big fans of camels. At the very least, I'm putting some thought into my votes, and giving clear reasons.

I can't say the same about White Eyes, and I have doubts about you, too. No offense, of course, my friend.

Whatever. There's been silliness abroad in this game. Think I'm guilty? Whatever, let me know when you've gathered your posts.

[White_eyes:D]

How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

Yet, you voted for me I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and ATPG accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat and if anyone is guilty it's the guys who came close last round I would think.....I mean for day one I just made one comment and two guys voted for different reasons..

[Askthepizzaguy]

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat

That's entirely plausible. I hadn't considered Phill was out to get you, though. There's way too many people in this game and it's hard to keep track of things. I'll give it some thought and review it, but it's too late for me to do it tonight.

[seireikhaan]

Yet, you voted for me I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and pizzaguy accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat

I was pointing out pizzaguy was piggybacking off of other's reasoning without even explaining what they were. But ya, I do find it annoying to find someone voting for me just because they thought I was confusing things, when I wasn't really posting much anyways, and besides, my posts were short anyways. So, on the contrary, I'd say its you who was looking for a scapegoat.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

[Reenk Roink]

Ok, Aries777777, where are you buddy? You didn't vote last round, and I could not find another suitable man to follow so I didn't vote last round (though I participated but our captain says it is not enough; he must follow that silly "Vote or Die" slogan ).

Early on you were active with your jokes and your votes, but now you're gone and I'm not laughing or guided, and it's becoming terribly hard to play in my new way. I may have to vote for you in the future.

Because I am not kept satisfied by such good humor, I took some time out to be 'analytical' today in the hopes that maybe I could be helpful to us crewmembers.

First, I am shocked that Sigurd Fafnesbane was lynched this early for a pretty weak reason, even by common townie standards. An incredibly stupid thing to do if I may criticize the crew.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The history of Mafia has seen a lot of great people (many of the new ones I don't know so much about either), some almost legendary; but Siggy Fafnessie is by far the most complete player. I consider him to be one of the best hosts and one of the best townies, as well is the best Mafia ever.

By lynching him, especially this early, Sigurd's alignment is unknown. You can imagine the epistemic problems this brings when he will attempt to posthumously 'help' the town...

What would have been wiser was to let the Mafia kill him off, at least making it much more plausible that Sigurd was innocent or in a non-Mafia role. Then he could help us and we could trust him.

And had Sigurd remained alive by the end stages of the game, you could be sure that I would be on him hard for it. Sigurd has screwed the town and myself personally over brilliantly twice before in endgame, and one of my personal goals is to foil him.

What we did to Sigurd is the worst thing to do concerning him.

Secondly, I'm saddened though not surprised at how dogmatically people draw conclusions about the Mafia from scant evidence such as write ups or non killing behavior. They really prove nothing, and I would never make conclusions about the number of Mafia or how they operate from them personally.

Lastly, and I held off on doing this for a bit because I respect Seamus Fermanagh a ton, but I would be somewhat inclined to view him suspiciously since the get go.

Read this:

Er... the one person whose behavior really sets off my alarms at this point, and who I'd like an explanation from, is Seamus Fermanagh.

Why is this? Originally it was because mathematically, he's registered a definite behavior change from past games. He posts less and his posts are generally shorter. This doesn't mean much, but it was enough to get my attention and make me look into the content of his posts.

What I've seen there looks innocuous on the surface - as in past games, he's posted voting records and some commentary on them. We know him well enough by now that it's obligatory that he do this - I'm confident he would do it whether he was a mafioso or not.

But something's a bit off. The commentary this time is much lighter, not very focused, and lacking the insightful confidence that was there in previous games.

I think Seamus is doing what he did in that game. He is propping up the same framework so as to not blatantly show a change in behavior, but at the same time, it is also more shallow which, according to popular townie thought, is an indicator of trying to fly under the radar, which, again according to popular townie though, is a telltale mark of Mafia.

Now, I must add that I am probably one of the strongest opponents of using changes in behavior or semi-lurking as indicators of Mafia, because of the fact that it is such a poorly grounded theoretical framework (yes it has worked before, but I look for an epistemic and not pragmatic justification and you would think Mafia would caught on by now).

So by no means does this damn Seamus or anything close to it. Unlike Kommodus, I will not endorse voting for people based on the above-mentioned methodology for the above-mentioned reasons.

I do caution you to deal with Seamus with some trepidation though. Something about him is just not right (actually, that is MY personal reason for my suspicion, and I gave the evidence that usual townies accept so that YOU would also consider it).

No hard feelings buddy, as I said my personal stance makes me very critical of this method of suspicion in the first place. However, since everyone else is grasping at imaginary threads, I would like to point out a particularly big and fat imaginary thread. You are a great player and were it not for my close knowledge of your ways from earlier times, I wouldn't have caught this.

I will for now vote: Chaotix27 because Seamus is a good man as any to follow, and again, he is suspicious by the common methodologies gauge (BUT SO IS SEAMUS BY THE SAME METHODOLOGY).

Hope some of this helped. At the very least, I hope it was interesting in some way that makes the game more fun, which is the main reason to play.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

P.S: This definitely isn't going to be a habit by the way

A Vote Tally (cause none of you do it anyway ):

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good)
seireikhaan: 1 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

Edit: There is no way that Chaotix27 could be Mafia, unless he really doesn't care about getting lynched (such apathy would be legendary and quite ballsy for Mafia ). Voting will be closed in an hour or so

Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27).

New Vote Tally:

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink)
seireikhaan: 2 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

[White_eyes:D]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

Pizza guy it is...and Khaan you and pizzaguy are the top suspects in my mind....reason? you guys went at each right at the start and I get the feeling your trying to avoid lynching each other....
in case you guys forgot check this out....

There is a tie!
Between Makaikhaan and Rythmic!

Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)

If Pizzaguy's argument holds any weight then it must be Khann as if you check in each area of Pizzaguy's bolded 'Come close to Cyro sleep stuff' Khann either Voted for or was voted in each bolded area...

[pevergreen]

I do believe I heard Andres leaving early...He was in my area.

Normally we take a walk at night if one of us can't sleep. Buddies do that for each other.

I believe the next people to be 'freezed' should be: Khaan, Guy with Pizzas and then Seamus.

Vote: Khaan

Say, can someone give me the room number of that Mith guy? I've got something I'd like to show him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27)

You didn't add a new post, you edited your post to change your vote. Did you think people wouldn't notice? It seems to me you didn't want people to know who you were voting for, if they had already read your post, they would have missed the fact that you changed it.

Such a move is not on the level, and you've just gone to the top of my list. Explain yourself, please.