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    we were allied with the Soviets after all, the only state to kill more Jews than the Nazis”: Can give from where you pick this information? I doubt the Soviets killed around 5 millions Jews in around 3 years in camps specially designed for that.
    Can you provide the Soviet equivalent of the Bodensee conference? It will help.

    About the “ethnic cleansing” of the German Minorities:
    First, you can’t compare the expulsion and the genocide. I know that today it is a word used and abused but…
    Second, just study how many volunteers these “minorities” gave to the Nazi, and what attitude did they adapt during the German Occupation. That will gave you a little clues on the reason why the expulsion.
    In term of politic, the reason evoked by Hitler for the invasion (then annexing) of Czechoslovakia was the protection of the German minorities. I think he took the same reason for Poland, but this will have to be confirmed.
    So, after the WW2, well, it was decided by the victims of the Nazi aggression that this won’t be an pretext again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenus View Post
    we were allied with the Soviets after all, the only state to kill more Jews than the Nazis”: Can give from where you pick this information? I doubt the Soviets killed around 5 millions Jews in around 3 years in camps specially designed for that.
    Can you provide the Soviet equivalent of the Bodensee conference? It will help.
    Actually, it was Tsarist Russia that launched occasional pogroms against Russian Jews. At other times and places, they enjoyed a semi-protected status. All rather mixed up.

    Soviet Russia didn't really single Jews out very much at all, at least under Stalin. Stalin killed people in gulags, butchered his own officer corps, starved millions during the forced collectivization of agriculture, and even sent someone to axe Trotsky a question -- in short, he butchered millions (some sources suggest he and Beria killed substantially more people than did the Nazi regime) and was willing to kill anybody who might vaguely, possibly, conceivably, become a threat to Papa Joe sometime in the next half century. He just didn't go after Jews with any particular hatred. He was a very ecumenical monster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    (some sources suggest he and Beria killed substantially more people than did the Nazi regime)
    Some seventeen million (according to some brief research) were killed by the Nazi regime, whereas Stalin's era was responsible for the deaths of between twenty and forty-three million. Just some statistics.

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