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I don't think we should deny the suffering that many Germans endured. Of course, numbers wise it may seem to pale into comparison when considering how many died by the Nazi regime.
But each individual German's suffering was just as great (generally speaking) as that of any individual of another ethnic background, and it should not be ignored or tossed aside as insignificant.
Remember those who were persecuted - all of them.
At the end of the day politics is just trash compared to the Gospel.
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They are human beings. It is wrong by definition.
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Originally Posted by Leon Blum - For All Mankind
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For them that live by the sword, shall perish by it.
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
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Once again presuming, of course, that all Germans actively supported the National Socialist regime and all of its expansionist and racial policies, as well as the war.
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They did nothing to stop it
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Partially untrue (Germans did resist) and partially unreasonably idealistic (not much that Germans could have done about it once the murderer was consolidated in power).
Last edited by Evil_Maniac From Mars; 10-26-2008 at 03:50.
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You can always resist. The Germans had what was coming to them. Such is war.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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That, and it is unknown how many did support the nationalistic or racial ideologies of the Nazi regime, or those who were part of the German settlers who took over the houses of the undesirables.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
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What have you done to stop Guantanamo?
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
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I agree with the premise of what we are doing in the war on terror. How we have been carrying it out on the other hand I have some problems with. However I am still throwing my hat in with my goverment and If I were to go to the middle east I would be fully aware of what someone might do to me simply because Im an American.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Protested it, didn't vote for Bush.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
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Who said I was only referring to Germans?
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
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That isn't a statistic thats a very vague guess .whereas Stalin's era was responsible for the deaths of between twenty and forty-three million. Just some statistics.
Samartian I refer to the process of deporting and settling in the Reichs newfound territory people who were German , might be partially German , might be sorta Germanish or might be able to become German with a thorough Nazi re-education policy .
After all many poles fitted into 4 varying categories of germanism and became "germans" , were they kicked out too when the poles took over the territory again , what about the all Baltic germans that Hilter swapped with Stalin , did they get kicked back to the Baltics or to German territory ?
Since all those people recieved the land and property of other people who were deported or murdered they must be removed from any fair complaint about the numbers of Germans kicked out of territory after the war .
Seamus , why bother? .
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 10-26-2008 at 17:18. Reason: Removed personal attack
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Just wondering , when it comes to Germans expelled from Poland and Czechoslovakia for examples what proportion were original residents and what proportion were settlers shipped there from other places to make the territories more Germanic for the thousand year reich ?
Actually when you think of it didn't Nazi Germany have a deal with lots of different eastern european countries to deport the all the ethnic Germans to German territory....so would that mean that the eastern european countries were just completing the deal ....but its just that the Germany for the Germans territory had shrunk somewhat by then
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