For them that live by the sword, shall perish by it.
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For them that live by the sword, shall perish by it.
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
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Once again presuming, of course, that all Germans actively supported the National Socialist regime and all of its expansionist and racial policies, as well as the war.Originally Posted by makaikhaan
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They did nothing to stop it
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Partially untrue (Germans did resist) and partially unreasonably idealistic (not much that Germans could have done about it once the murderer was consolidated in power).
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You can always resist. The Germans had what was coming to them. Such is war.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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It's awfully easy for you to sit back in your chair in Texas and say that.
Such is racism. You can never vilify an entire people, you can never assume guilt of an entire nation, and you can never, ever say that an entire race "got what was coming to them." That is exactly the type of racism that the Nazis used to justify what they did to the Jews.The Germans had what was coming to them. Such is war.
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Same could be said for you.
That maybe so I never said the expellers were perfect. Im just not going to feel bad for the Germans especially the ones who moved there as Tribsey alluded to. You start a war you better finish it or reap the consequences.Such is racism. You can never vilify an entire people, you can never assume guilt of an entire nation, and you can never, ever say that an entire race "got what was coming to them." That is exactly the type of racism that the Nazis used to justify what they did to the Jews.
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There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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That, and it is unknown how many did support the nationalistic or racial ideologies of the Nazi regime, or those who were part of the German settlers who took over the houses of the undesirables.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
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What have you done to stop Guantanamo?
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
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I agree with the premise of what we are doing in the war on terror. How we have been carrying it out on the other hand I have some problems with. However I am still throwing my hat in with my goverment and If I were to go to the middle east I would be fully aware of what someone might do to me simply because Im an American.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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But in our example the Iraqis have taken over Texas and send you to San Francisco after beating you up several times because you really deserve that.
Apart from that, I agree with Louis.
"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
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I may not deserve it but Im not going to sit here and ask people to feel sorry for me after my country blatant invaded and genocide another group of people.
There, but for the grace of God, goes John Bradford
My aim, then, was to whip the rebels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.
I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation.
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Protested it, didn't vote for Bush.
HOW ABOUT 'DEM VIKINGS
-Martok
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Stalin and Hitler aren't comparable. First of all most data about Stalin is from the cold war period, when it was pretty much impossible for westerners to acquire reliable data. Furthermore, nobody really bothered to verify anything because it was useful propaganda tool. Russian declassified archives show that the number is much lower but still enough to make any sane and civilized person's head spin. And considering legacy, Stalin found Russia with wooden ploughs, centuries behind the west and left it as a nuclear armed, space faring superpower. Hitler found Germany in crisis and left it in ruins.
Anyway, since when is one dictator excuse for another?
@tribesman
Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
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Absolutely. The only question is whether or not it was worth the price. Many millions perished to make it happen.
"And if the people raise a great howl against my barbarity and cruelty, I will answer that war is war and not popularity seeking. If they want peace, they and their relatives must stop the war." - William Tecumseh Sherman
“The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do.” - Warren Buffett
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Who said I was only referring to Germans?
It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then, the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or hell.
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That isn't a statistic thats a very vague guess .whereas Stalin's era was responsible for the deaths of between twenty and forty-three million. Just some statistics.
Samartian I refer to the process of deporting and settling in the Reichs newfound territory people who were German , might be partially German , might be sorta Germanish or might be able to become German with a thorough Nazi re-education policy .
After all many poles fitted into 4 varying categories of germanism and became "germans" , were they kicked out too when the poles took over the territory again , what about the all Baltic germans that Hilter swapped with Stalin , did they get kicked back to the Baltics or to German territory ?
Since all those people recieved the land and property of other people who were deported or murdered they must be removed from any fair complaint about the numbers of Germans kicked out of territory after the war .
Seamus , why bother? .
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