No better than them

[PanzerJaeger]

So you're one of them denial ones eh?

No, never. I think a lot of the "facts" regarding the Holocaust are in reality estimations, but I have never denied the large scale imprisonment and murder of Jews and other minority groups under the Nazis. I'm not interested in painting the Nazis as anything other than what they were, and that applies to the allies as well.

Well, you can't expect better from me. After all, I'm at a racial disadvantage. On the bright side, as much as I try to find your posts insulting, I can't. But they're amusing as hell.

Thats good, as there is nothing in my posts that anyone should find insulting or offensive; unless, of course, you are insulted by reality. Everything I've posted is simply fact.


Edit: The mocking is somewhat juvenile. I've posted my opinions, backed up by facts. Nobody likes to hear that the good guys weren't really that good, but is a little maturity too much to ask for?

[KarlXII]

Thats good, as there is nothing in my posts that anyone should find insulting or offensive; unless, of course, you are insulted by reality. Everything I've posted is simply fact.

Wow I didn't think you'd allow the Slav to speak

[Sarmatian]

Thats good, as there is nothing in my posts that anyone should find insulting or offensive; unless, of course, you are insulted by reality. Everything I've posted is simply fact.


Edit: The mocking is somewhat juvenile. I've posted my opinions, backed up by facts. Nobody likes to hear that the good guys weren't really that good, but is a little maturity too much to ask for?

I don't have problems with the facts, only with your interpretation of said facts. Wars are not about good guys vs bad guys. In wars there are only two sides. But if there is a war in the history of humanity that can be perceived as good guys vs bad guys it's WW2. What point are you trying to make? That Allies and Soviets committed crimes? True, you won't find much argument from me there. I spoke about it some threads here at the .Org. That Germans were mistreated in many European countries after the war? Also true, I spoke about how I perceive deportation of Germans from Yugoslavia morally wrong. That the main purpose of Dresden and Tokyo bombing was spreading of fear rather than a military goal? Once again true, and yet another thing I spoke about here.

But to think that all this somehow absolves Nazi Germany from guilt and from all its crime is insulting and hilarious at the same time. Do you think that Yugoslavian Germans being deported with compensation can be compared to what Nazis did in Yugoslavia? You're defending a country that followed an ideology in which it was not only acceptable to exterminate other nations based on their genes or religion but also normal and even desirable. When Japan surrendered to the US, the killings stopped. When a country surrender to Nazi Germany it didn't stop. In fact, that's when the killings truly started. Maybe most of the Germans back then didn't know about Holocaust or sick ideology that Hitler & co pursued, but I have some news for you - we're not in the 1940's anymore and we know about it. What's with the need to defend it? Germany turned its back to Nazism, renounced it and moved on as only a great nation could. You're right when you say that Germany shouldn't be more ashamed than any other nation. I agree with you there. I don't think of Nazis as Germans. And frankly, I believe than anyone defending Nazis is insulting Germans as much as he is insulting the victims...

[KarlXII]

I don't have problems with the facts, only with your interpretation of said facts. Wars are not about good guys vs bad guys. In wars there are only two sides. But if there is a war in the history of humanity that can be perceived as good guys vs bad guys it's WW2. What point are you trying to make? That Allies and Soviets committed crimes? True, you won't find much argument from me there. I spoke about it some threads here at the .Org. That Germans were mistreated in many European countries after the war? Also true, I spoke about how I perceive deportation of Germans from Yugoslavia morally wrong. That the main purpose of Dresden and Tokyo bombing was spreading of fear rather than a military goal? Once again true, and yet another thing I spoke about here.

But to think that all this somehow absolves Nazi Germany from guilt and from all its crime is insulting and hilarious at the same time. Do you think that Yugoslavian Germans being deported with compensation can be compared to what Nazis did in Yugoslavia? You're defending a country that followed an ideology in which it was not only acceptable to exterminate other nations based on their genes or religion but also normal and even desirable. When Japan surrendered to the US, the killings stopped. When a country surrender to Nazi Germany it didn't stop. In fact, that's when the killings truly started. Maybe most of the Germans back then didn't know about Holocaust or sick ideology that Hitler & co pursued, but I have some news for you - we're not in the 1940's anymore and we know about it. What's with the need to defend it? Germany turned its back to Nazism, renounced it and moved on as only a great nation could. You're right when you say that Germany shouldn't be more ashamed than any other nation. I agree with you there. I don't think of Nazis as Germans. And frankly, I believe than anyone defending Nazis is insulting Germans as much as he is insulting the victims...

Agreed wholeheartedly.