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    Be Glad Paris wasn't raised to the ground in 1815, because that's what it deserved”: In doing what? Building concentration camps and exterminating all specific minorities? Or fighting against all European Countries for 30 years?
    Don’t remember so when exactly the French voted for Napoleon as an Emperor. Because I much I know, he took power by a Coup d’Etat…

    Again good old tactic: Napoleon did commit what we call war crimes (not really against the Prussians, mind you). Hitler did as well, so Napoleon = Hitler. I have to laugh. Napoleon 1790 to 1815, around, Hitler1936 to 1945, one century and something after… Hey, the rules of war did changed in between.

    history has shown, no more evil” Much much more evil. Napoleon legacy is a Code of Justice, metric system and others minor side effect… Just read the Wannsee Conference for at least learn something about Nazism and Nazi leaders and followers…

    From: historyplace.com:
    “On January, 20, 1942, Reinhard Heydrich, Himmler's second in command of the SS, convened the Wannsee Conference in Berlin with 15 top Nazi bureaucrats to co-ordinate the Final Solution (Endlösung) in which the Nazis would attempt to exterminate the entire Jewish population of Europe, an estimated 11 million persons.
    "Europe would be combed of Jews from east to west," Heydrich stated.
    The minutes of that meeting have been preserved but were edited by Heydrich substituting the coded language Nazis used when referring to lethal actions to be taken against Jews.
    "Instead of emigration, there is now a further possible solution to which the Führer has already signified his consent - namely deportation to the east," Heydrich stated for example when referring to mass deportations of Jews to ghettos in occupied Poland and then on to the soon-opened death camps at Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka.
    "...eliminated by natural causes," refers to death by a combination of hard labour and starvation.
    "...treated accordingly," refers to execution by SS firing squads or death by gassing - also seen in other Nazi correspondence in a variety of connotations such as "special treatment" and "special actions" regarding the Jews.”

    From: www.scrapbookpages.com
    During his trial in Jerusalem, Eichmann testified as follows during session 107 on July 24, 1961:
    What I know is that the gentlemen convened their session, and then in very plain terms - not in the language that I had to use in the minutes, but in absolutely blunt terms - they addressed the issue, with no mincing of words. And my memory of all this would be doubtful, were it not for the fact that I distinctly recall saying to myself at the time, Look, just look at Stuckart, the perpetual law-abiding bureaucrat, always punctilious and fussy, and now what a different tone! The language was anything but in conformity with the legal protocol of clause and paragraph. I should add that this is the only thing from the conference that still has stayed clearly in my mind.
    When the Presiding Judge asked Eichmann what Stuckart had said "in general" "on this topic," Eichmann answered, "The discussion covered killing, elimination, and annihilation."

    Hitler legacy is for the first time a cold blood very well plan of extermination of minorities which were denied the even smaller right to exist.
    Hitler didn’t kill as much people than Stalin or Genghis Khan. But if you weren’t seen as a political opponent to Stalin, or if you surrender fast enough to Genghis your life was spared. As a Jew, a Gypsy, or homosexual, no chance to escape because you were killed for what you are, the thing you can’t change. Converting was not accepted, you were a Jew forever (I remind you that to be Jew is to belong to a religion…).
    That the difference of Nazism.
    If you follow communism, you are not obliged to kill minorities. If you are a true Nazi you are.
    If you are a true communist, you are not obliged to conquer by force the world. If you are a true Nazi, yes you do, because WAR is the ultimate test of the Superior Race.
    The differences are in the books of reference. Nor Marx or Hegel spoke about the need to kill. Hitler did, and the need for the Vital Space. And the need to conquer and dominate in inferior “races”.

    Like if you were saying that Jesus is responsible for the Inquisition, the South America genocide (the Requerimiento 1513) and the Triangle Trade (encouraged after the Contreverse of Valladolid –1550- Bartelome de Las Casas vs Sepulveda).
    So according your criteria, Jesus is as much evil than Hitler because Christianity in around 2000 years of existence killed much more than Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot united
    Last edited by Brenus; 11-05-2008 at 20:51. Reason: sp & highlight
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.

    "I've been in few famous last stands, lad, and they're butcher shops. That's what Blouse's leading you into, mark my words. What'll you lot do then? We've had a few scuffles, but that's not war. Think you'll be man enough to stand, when the metal meets the meat?"
    "You did, sarge", said Polly." You said you were in few last stands."
    "Yeah, lad. But I was holding the metal"
    Sergeant Major Jackrum 10th Light Foot Infantery Regiment "Inns-and-Out"

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