There are ways of dealing with us. Making personal attacks on members (or ex-members) of our team is going to get you black-balled. we've all worked really hard for many years and so we are protective of our own. You have hardly ever made any helpful comment without following it up with some attack or other, so yeah, when you say something we don't like (say a personal attack on an ex-member) then we'll close ranks because before anything there is self-respect and respect for one's co-workers. You give none to us and we expect none from you. We would love to be able to talk with you about what we have, but unfortunately you have made that impossible.
I'm closing this thread because the questions have been answered and this looks to devolve into one of those endless "celtic" threads, and we just don't have the time for it.
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