Define racism!

[Kekvit Irae]

Because we all know that wikipedia can be trusted over someone who is majoring in Anthropology.

[Thermal]

Because we all know that wikipedia can be trusted over someone who is majoring in Anthropology.

well its usually right like koga said everyone has different opinions, but the basic outline as the name suggests, is being discriminative against someone because of race, that surely isn't up for debate?

almost everything can be debated to have more than one side to it, but thats the just of it

[Kekvit Irae]

well its usually right like koga said everyone has different opinions, but the basic outline as the name suggests, is being discriminative against someone because of race, that surely isn't up for debate?

almost everything can be debated to have more than one side to it, but thats the just of it

According to Scientific Theory, everything is up for debate. Even simple things such as definitions of what racism is. Comte was the first to take a scientific approach to society (a radical change from the philosphes of the day).
I don't take issue with classifying racism, but I do with incorrectly identifying ethnocentrism as racism. In today's society, stereotyping based on culture ("Look at that Japanese commercial. It's so weird. Why can't they make something normal like we do?" or "Feh. Why can't Ethiopians just farm instead of being lazy? That would help the starvation issues if they just get off their butts and work.") is classified as ethnocentrism.

[Koga No Goshi]

According to Scientific Theory, everything is up for debate. Even simple things such as definitions of what racism is. Comte was the first to take a scientific approach to society (a radical change from the philosphes of the day).
I don't take issue with classifying racism, but I do with incorrectly identifying ethnocentrism as racism. In today's society, stereotyping based on culture ("Look at that Japanese commercial. It's so weird. Why can't they make something normal like we do?" or "Feh. Why can't Ethiopians just farm instead of being lazy? That would help the starvation issues if they just get off their butts and work.") is classified as ethnocentrism.

True. What happens is that people get lazy and want to leap from making a specific comment to painting something as a universal truth across a whole group. So the line does frequently get blurred. I mean, you might have someone legitimately making the observation of, let's say for instance, "I did missionary work in Uganda and seriously, the men there are lazy... I'm not trying to sound racist, but it's cultural there, the men are used to the women doing all the real work." But then someone else might go "YEAH, and you know the black people near my house, they're lazy too, they never work and get welfare." Just as an example of how people blur that line.

[Thermal]

almost everything can be debated

my point made earlier exactly.......
isnt this 4 the backroom? one mans curiousity has turned into a debate, as you said everything is set up for debate...

[pevergreen]

(Pseudo)To the backroom...and awaaaaay!

[Craterus]

I always felt that the simplest definition is believing one race to be intrinsically better than another.

[Hosakawa Tito]

I believe this subject will be better served and debated in the Back Room.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

The LAWFUL redistricting of states can be based on race to disenfranchise a race or ethnic group. Is that not racist?

Racism takes many forms. Stereotypes come from somewhere though...

[Koga No Goshi]

The LAWFUL redistricting of states can be based on race to disenfranchise a race or ethnic group. Is that not racist?

Racism takes many forms. Stereotypes come from somewhere though...

Absolutely, fixing voting structures so that people of a certain race have minimal or disproportionately smaller control over the outcome of the election than their percentage of the local population is indeed formal racism. Either by intent or by default. (Someone might just be doing it to "win", as say a Republican, but it's still engaging in racist tools to do so.)

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Absolutely, fixing voting structures so that people of a certain race have minimal or disproportionately smaller control over the outcome of the election than their percentage of the local population is indeed formal racism. Either by intent or by default. (Someone might just be doing it to "win", as say a Republican, but it's still engaging in racist tools to do so.)

Democrats do it plenty, as well. The entire system is based around this sort of thing...

[Strike For The South]

Democrats do it plenty, as well. The entire system is based around this sort of thing...

Aye. The Dems have made there living post-64 telling blacks that they cant succeed on their own...and they wonder why the hispanics are overtaking them even though they have been here for allot less time. Funny really.

[Koga No Goshi]

Aye. The Dems have made there living post-64 telling blacks that they cant succeed on their own...and they wonder why the hispanics are overtaking them even though they have been here for allot less time. Funny really.

As interesting as that is.... I see no evidence that Dems make a concerted effort to knock white people off the voting lists so that a greater percentage of Dem votes are being counted than Rep ones. The opposite has quite a bit of evidence, though.

By the way, it was the Civil Rights movement that asserted that rights on paper without economic opportunity made equality pointless. Not the Democratic Party. And I happen to agree with it. Tell some guy he's equal but can never get a job, or a loan, or start a business, and he's never going to be equal.

[Strike For The South]

As interesting as that is.... I see no evidence that Dems make a concerted effort to knock white people off the voting lists so that a greater percentage of Dem votes are being counted than Rep ones. The opposite has quite a bit of evidence, though.

Thats not what I'm talking about.